Feminism has improved women's rights, what men's rights need work?

So you're implying that if equality is sought, delivery it.
That'll teach 'em!

 

Did you check the disabled restroom.? In the UK it is very common for the baby change facilities to be fitted there.
People often wrongly assume that the disabled toilet is reserved for disabled customers. This is not the case, it is simply a facility that they can use. Many of these toilets are only needed by disabled customers a few times a year. They can also be used by parents when young children need to use the toilet, particularly a guy with a daughter who is too young to use the toilet on her own..

 

I dont think its that simple, you walk into a tax office to get your tax done, some little bald dude with glasses and a bow tie, looks like he is a bean counter and loves it, most are more likely to assume he would be better at actually doing your taxes. Its dependant on the job/industry

Also in my country, child care workers get paid shit money, because its a job a lot of young women want to do, an oversupply of them coming out of diploma level colleges, I think its only a 6 month/ 1 year course, whereas as aged care workers, its a job not as many people want to do, many ladies in that industry end up earning higher than average wage, thus more than most guys earn everywhere else. So its also just about supply and demand

But I dont think its necessarily about attractiveness, more like fitting those stereotypes we all say we dont reinforce, but do

But I think the disparity is more prominent between men. Would you really see a difference between two female managers based on their height difference?

If you are a woman, you want to be a fashion model, you have to have a certain level of attractiveness, but everybody sees that, its all over instagram, posters at bus stops etc.....but you are only really talking about a couple hundred woman the world over ( that make the really big bucks) in one industry thats in everyones face all the time, only 1 industry of the thousands of industries women are employed in. And at the same time you never hear guys complaining they cant get work as male models because they are short or "plus size"

By comparison, how men get differentiated in every little office in every boring little company the world over, no one really ever sees, its never in your face

The height thing especially is a guy thing

 

In US we don't usually have those doors that go to the floor on stalls, so a man entering a ladies' room could potentially look into a stall and see a woman using a mirror or simply see through the edges of the doors.... But there is a double standard of privacy in men's urinals... Why aren't men's facilities also stalls only as in women's rooms? Urinals seem messy, nasty contraptions sort of like pig troughs of pee... OK they flush... but sometimes the users don't flush them... Let's face it, women are usually taught to be clean in bathroom habits because if they aren't they get infections..and there's menses. Men don't suffer in this way as often and so... pee troughs, open urine sites...

 

although, I have to say that in my time working retail jobs, women's restrooms are universally far more filthy than men's. used pads stuck to the wall, feces scraped onto the wall, fingerpainted even, (not from a lack of paper, there's a full roll right there) the toilet jammed with tampon/pad/half a roll of tp, urine on the floor, the walls, blood smeared on the sink, the mirror, the handrail, the door, and I don't mean a speck - I mean someone put a full on uruk-hai handprint at jumping high five level on the wall. and this isn't some shitty little rundown club. this was in a mall, in an office supply store! I've worked at a truckstop, and only had to clean up 'once' in my 5 years there in the men's rooms what I had to clean at least every other day in this place.

give me an unflushed urinal over someone pulling the trashbin out of the wall and directly defecating and menstruating into it, then upending it onto the floor and obviously stomping on the bag to spread it.

and so, I don't work retail anymore. all the job taught me was that humans, in fact, have /not/ come all that far from the poo flinging monkeys.

 

A few years ago, a totally new design of toilet / washroom design was introduced i the UK where their is one entrance and cubicles and washbasins are shared. A door led off marked "men only" to the urinal area. The cubicles were of a more robust construction with no gaps between panels or around doors that had only a narrow gap at the bottom.
In this environment, people behaved a lot better and vandalism and graffiti almost became a thing of the past.
The design was trialed at several universities and adopted by middle of the road hotel chains. Their were a few variations, one of which was having the cubicles on one side of the room for women and the other side for men.

 

does the UK not have any restrooms where the toilet stalls are open air? they're usually enclosed here, but i would say about 10% have no door, or no stall whatsoever.

like born25 said, if women are taught to flush, or clean up after themselves, or not go out of their way to poop all over the floor and then shred an entire roll of toilet paper and throw it around the room like confetti, then they must forget those lessons before they use a public facility around here. i've had a couple jobs where restroom cleaning/maintenance was part of the job, and i learned very quickly that women are incredibly disgusting when they don't have to live with the mess.

 

You guys go into a lot of female restrooms?

 

Sniffin' dat poontang

 

It's all about upbringing, cultural background, self-worth, and the resultant consideration of others. No gender discrimination with that.

Any facility can be used respectfully, or be abused. Uninformed may see urinals as icky but when the user cares it's easier to avoid external splatter and there's no seat. Certainly more convenient and less icky for both current and subsequent user when used properly.

I haven't seen one of those 'trough' things for decades. Even then, they were rare. I found those to be nasty, usually in large volume applications such as sports arenas where lower-echelon crowds flocked. We use individual urinals with dividers between now. It can be very sanitary with caring users.

 

I have never seen this design in the UK (where it would not be allowed), but I believe they exist in parts of south America and Spain.

Back when the education act became law, most UK schools were built between 1895 and 1907. None of these buildings had internal toilets and a separate toilet block was built in the yard.
These buildings were mostly a long corridor with cubicles along one side and wash basins along the other. A partial roof covered most of the cubicle, but the corridor and basins were open to the elements. Using them in heavy snow was great fun and needless to say, all the pipes were frozen. Some of these buildings still exist today, but most of them have had a roof added.

 

Sounds like character building!!

My first South American trip, circa 1979, public facilities, when found, often consisted of one room maybe a meter (yard) or two square, no door, concrete pad, minimally sloped with a 4-6" (~125cm) hole in the middle. No paper, no wash basins, no gender designation, ...

Culture shock.

And whether one watched other people utilizing it was solely up to one's own sense of propriety.

Now it's about the same as what you'd find here. With the occasional room cleaner hanging out and working for tips.

 

Of course, I've never had to clean a public restroom on a daily basis... but have certainly used them... not at malls where there would be a wide variety of users of all kinds. However, I've never seen anything worse than a clogged toilet and I was taught to flush tampons until a plumber 20 odd years ago told me don't do that... Whoever smeared feces or blood in a public bathroom is not merely a dirty person, but some kind of psycho/sociopath... pinning up used sanitary napkins? All of those behaviors are bizarre. I've read adult fecal, or for that matter, bodily fluid smearing, is a sign of OCD, possible sexual abuse, conduct disorder, oppositional defiant disorder and other forms of mental illness. If it's true that women suffer more from abuse than men, then displaying feces in a public place would satisfy some internal need for decompression or self soothing. It's inappropriate and ultimately does not help the offender, as it's done in secret. (few of these people try to get caught) But if abused, those abuses were carried out in secret too. So this is an expression of anger at whatever their suffering is. These actions have nothing to do with social class, as abuse and said disorders have nothing to do with social class.

 

Whatever happened to those tasty little cakes they provided for users of urinals? We 'sposed to bring our own?

 

Hahaha

F those... they just cause splashback!

 

well its not about 'cold' cuts.
just that most inequalities are extreme exaggerations of anything that exists in the nearly infinity diversity of nature.
and i just don't see this as making the human species superior in any way.
(creativity is the only thing that distinguishes us, and that is not gender based in any way either)

 

In the end we're protoplasm... intent on multiplying.

 

when i was little, no one ever heard of a changing table in ANY public rest room.
but then a lot of things were done commonly in other ways. time roles on.
and with it cultural expectations.

parks used to have benches and people used to go there to sit on them,
and feed pigeons or play chess and checkers.
and doing so did not imply homelessness.

breast feeding did not become a controversy until well into the 60s.

 

when it's part of your job to clean it. yeah. that's why I'm making sure it's not gonna be my job again.

 

Which is strange, due to the timing. Women were gaining rights during this era and becoming more sexually free...but in this context, did women's lib really liberate us or did it force us into a box where women's body's are hypersexualized and cannot be viewed as utilitarian ?

Food for thought. For the record i'm glad women gained sexual freedom but I do think it came at a cost

What thread am I in again..sometimes i zero in on certain points and go way offf topic, oops