Famous People Converted Into Islam

NO. She was not Mature. She was NINE YEARS OLD.
No. Its not acceptable then and you would not accept it now.
No Muslim would accept a 53 year old man boning his Nine Year old Daughter - Marriage or no marriage.
Never mind that.. the real problem here is that Muhammed is to not only know better but he should not be getting a hard penis over a NINE YEAR OLD.

Bullshit.
It is NEVER NORMAL in ANY culture on earth for a 53 Year old man to be sexually aroused by a Nine Year old girl (like Mohammed was and entered her)
Thats ABnormal and its downright destructive to the childs genitals as well as the psychological damage in that Aisha was not capable of having sexual feelings for Ole Mohammed.
Do you think a Nine year old wants to have a mans erection in her?
No.

Here is where a big problem lies for Mohammed.
Yes, we understand that some things were 'common' for example worshipping Allat and many gods was common. (example: Allah the Moon God and his daughters).
Yes ok.
Things like this are true for Jesus or even the Prophets before him when they are 'In' a region/era/culture.
Romans had a slavery system for example and this was simply how they knew life to be and did not even know otherwise it was so fundamental to life itself.

However, we do not see Jesus getting a slave because Jesus knows better.
This is supposed to be true for Mohammed.
Sure, even if I accept you unfounded theory that Arabic men were sexually aroused by nine year old girls and it was normal for them to have intercourse with them (or bury baby girls in the sand for that matter) thats one thing.
MOHAMMED IS TO KNOW BETTER!

Instead you want me to believe he is the one and only true Messenger but for some reason he can give every moral prescription, change and challenge what is wrong in the culture (paganism, burying babies, even daily rituals) but he just goes along getting 'inspired' to enter nine year olds.
Doesnt know any better about that one?

WHOA... Why Not?
There is no good reason for you to accept the Prophet Muhammeds actions as correct and good (and given by Allah in a fantasy.. err. dream) but to say its not dared now.
Sure, by every reason it should be as allowable now as it was then.
Why not?
Is it because people know that Muhammed did something wrong now?

Here is the bad news. Im not 'Islamophobic' and in fact, I USED to have a healthy respect for Islam.
I used to remind other Christians (and myself) "Hey, at least the Muslims are staying true to their principles and why are we falling behind?"

Unfortunately, I began to study on Islam and get to know Muslims personally, learning more abut the Koran and Muhammed.
Now I am nearly disgusted with Islam.
The more I learn the more I realise what a horrible, fraudulent, flawed and weak contrivance this thing is.
Muhammed himself is becoming more of a sick, demented serial killing, sexual deviant and criminaly insane wacko - the more I learn about his guy.

Sorry, but if I was you I would either abandon that trainwreck of a religion or hope that as FEW people ever look into Islam and Muhammed as possible.

Its not a 'phobia' and im not 'anti' anything or anybody. I WISH I had never found out how disturbing and violent this whole thing really is!

The Prophet married Aisha in Mecca three years before the Hijrah, after the death of Khadija. At the time she was six.” Ishaq:281 “When the Apostle came to Medina he was fifty-three.” Tabari VII:6 “In May, 623 A.D./A.H. 1, Allah’s Messenger consummated his marriage to Aisha.”

The story is just plain creepy. She is to be like his Niece according to custom but he has a 'revelation' that she is permitted (and a convenient 'foretelling vision') to instruct the Father otherwise (who desperately tries to talk Muhammed out of it)

“When the Prophet married Aisha, she was very young and not yet ready for consummation.” - “My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse took over and wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was brought in while Muhammad was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. The other men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old.”

Here he actually tries to justify it. 'She didnt say anything' and 'God made me do it":

“The Prophet said, ‘A virgin should not be married till she is asked for her consent.’ ‘O Apostle! How will the virgin express her consent?’ He said, ‘By remaining silent.’” - “Allah’s Apostle told Aisha, ‘You were shown to me twice in my dreams. I beheld a man or angel carrying you in a silken cloth. He said to me, “She is yours, so uncover her.” And behold, it was you. I would then say to myself, “If this is from Allah, then it must happen.”’

and here she describes how he got under a blanket with here and became inspired (erect):

the Messenger married me when I was seven; my marriage was consummated when I was nine; he married me when I was a virgin, no other man having shared me with him; inspiration came to him when he and I were in a single blanket

Here its explained that the nine year old was Muhammeds favourite one when it came to sexual 'turns' (he has a harem of wives and sometimes he could not even remember which ones he had slept with the night before) but Aisha is his favourite one for sex nights:

“The people used to send presents to the Prophet on the day of Aisha’s turn [to have sex with him]. Aisha said, ‘His other wives gathered in the apartment of Um Salama [wife number two] and said, “Um, the people send presents on the day of Aisha’s turn and we too, love the good presents just as much as she does. You should tell Allah’s Apostle to order the people to send their presents to him regardless of whose turn it may be.” Um repeated that to the Prophet and he turned away from her. When the Prophet returned to Um, she repeated the request again. The Prophet again turned away. After the third time, the Prophet said, “Um, don’t trouble me by harming Aisha, for by Allah, the Divine Inspiration [Qur’an surahs] never came to me while I was under the blanket of any woman among you except her.”

Now lets see, if it was 'normal' for all old men to be sexually excited by nine year olds then we dont see this here in Muhammeds conversation with one of this companions where he seems surprised that he did not get a kid to fondle instead of a grown woman:

“I participated in a Ghazwa [raid] with the Prophet. I said, ‘Apostle, I am a bridegroom.’ He asked me whether I had married a virgin or matron. I answered, ‘A matron.’ He said, ‘Why not a virgin who would have played with you? Then you could have played with her.’ ‘Apostle! My father was martyred and I have some young sisters, so I felt it not proper that I should marry a young girl as young as them.’

The reason I asked about the practice of homosexuality was because scholars and historians confirm what I hear from people who have lived in the middle-east.
That there was a custom/practice of homosexual pedastry but this is more like that of the Greeks.
That is to say, they did not have the very recent concept that there are some people called 'homosexuals' and you are one or not.
Instead, you could (for example) pleasure yourself with a passive 'Eunich' or beautiful young man.
As long as you were 'giving' it was not considered 'homosexual' and it was not for the Eunich or passive youth.
BUT
If you were 'receiving' and were no longer a youth or a Eunich this was 'bad homsexuality' and this made you a gay.

Ok,
The reason I figure this is condoned by Mohammed is due to the following indications:

Here Muhammed is quoted (as inspired by Allah, supposedly) that these are the rewards in Heaven:
Hadith: Al hadiths, Vol. 4, Page-172, No.34: Hozrot Ali (r.a) narrated that the Apostle of Allah said, “There is in paradise an open market wherein there will be no buying or selling, but will consist of men and women. When a man desires a beauty, at once he will have intercourse with them as desired.

Here this is backed up in Sura:

Sura: 52:24 - Round about them will serve, (devoted) to them, young male servants (handsome) as Pearls well-guarded.
Sura: 56-17 - Round about them will (serve) youths of perpetual (freshness).
Sura 76:19 - And round about them will (serve) youths of perpetual (freshness): If thou seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered Pearls.


In another Haddith we get this impression that giving intercourse to a youth is acceptable, but its advised you cannot marry the boys mother:

(Bukhari LXII, 25) As for whom(ever) plays with a boy: if he caused him to enter him, then he shall not marry his mother.
​

and here in another Haddith Passage we see where Mohammed seems to be implying that treating straight men as 'Eunichs' is the problem - not that giving sex to males Eunichs is any problem:

Bukhari LXII 6:9 [Narrated by ibn Mas'ud:] "We used to fight [in battle] together with the Prophet, peace be upon him. There were no women with us. We said: O Messenger, may we treat some as eunuchs [a laa nastakhsii]? He forbade us to do so." ​

So all of this seems to tell me that Homosexuality is permitted and even celebrated by Muhammed as long as it stays within the Greek concept:
'Giving' to a passive eunich is acceptable and even desireable (but not as much as women or nine year old girls?)
It reminds me of something an ex-convict said "Dont forget.. the one on the 'bottom' is the gay guy.."

So in this sense they would not consider themselves homosexuals and a submissive youth or eunich would not be considered homsexuals either.
A man who was no longer 'beardless' and wanted sex was Gay (lut) or giving to a man who is not a beardless youth or a eunich was also like Lot gays.

This does correspond with reports I have heard from those in Middle-eastern Islamic cultures.
Example: A Mature Cleric could 'give' intercourse to a youth and this is not considered homosexual.
If that youth was giving or taking with youths his own age and stature - or- if he became mature and bearded and still 'took' intercourse then that woud be considered very wrong and he is then a homosexual.

Im only going with what Im hearing and reading so if you can explain why you think its 'unheard of in Islam' when in fact its made apparent to me through Koran and Haddith then please clarify?

 

She was mature...I previously have told you that my grand mother got married when she was 10 and she had her 1st child (my oldest aunti) when she was 11....I also have provided you with physiological evidences about puberty....you said it never bla bla in any culture, well look, I have givin you examples of many similar marriges at that time and in recent time....

When I talked about Orf I didn't say Orf changes the fundimentals of the relegion. Although it was clear the way I said it but you seem to maybe don't understand or pueposly misquote what I said. The Orf only deals with habits of cultures that change by time and circumctances. the Orf doesn't change the relegion...if ppl drink alcohol in a culture, it doens't become allowed...if ppl kill girls infant, worship idols...it wont be lawful because in the Quran it is stated clearly that these things are banned. When it comes to things not mentioned in Quran, like the color of clothes or wearing shoes in mosque Orf works....Now how does that relate to Aisha's issue? The conditions of marrige existed in her including her full physical and mental maturity -again my grandmom was capable of giving birth when she was 10- Also it was Mota'arf -common- that people get married at that time..now a days in the west and modern cities conditions maturity is reached later and the Orf is different so even if it is reached early -like in some cities in the middle east now- it is not common in some palces so it wouldn't happen originally. Yet it does happen in villages, deserts and other enviroments now a days.
Because it was normal and because Aish was mature then it is not an issue if someone enjoies his relation with his wife by any means...

The prophet haven't ever had a slave. and in one of my previous posts in other sections I showed how Islam came to remove any slavery except for god.

Unfortunatly, It is a big mistake to say I studied about Islam..you'd rather say one of two things:
1) I have read Islamophobic websites that misquot the Quran and Hadith and change them and I'v never bothered checking In Quran or In Bukhary befor I copy past.... in this case I'm sorry but when I'll show you how you were copy-pasting without making sure, your intillegance will be insulted simultanously..
2) I devoted my life to get peopl away from Islam (Islamphobic) and so I have made many lies and changed many words in the vurses and the Hadiths and also fooling ppl about entire cultures and populations...In this case i'll tell you my converts friends read the Quran several times before they became Muslims and it is that what made them submit to god. Also, Islam is the fastest growing relegion in the world wheather you like it or not and if you don't believe me go do a little research. -reliable sources please.

Commin Soon....may be next week, cz I wont be free enough to show it now.....I will show you how the one of the two discriptions apply perfectly to you.
I will show you all the vurses and Hadiths taht you posted one by one...and prove to you that you never read them in the Quran or Hadith your self or that you are a Lier and If I was in your place I'll preferre the 1st option...

By the way you seem to have a very impolite language... did you really made fun of people who go to universities??

Peace

 

Duly note: I definately copy and paste Verses from the Koran for the simple reason that I could no more memorise and retype the verses than I could with the Bible or anything else.
The reason they are published online in this forum is so that you can see whether or not these are real verses from the Koran.
If they are not - by all means, point these out as forgeries.
I have said before - I WISH and would HOPE this was not from Koran (or Haddith) and if you reject the Haddith then I would say GOOD!
I would agree with you and be happy to do so! (as I have with other Muslims).

As far as 'The Fastest growing religion' goes.
We have been hearing this for a long time.
It doesnt necessarily mean anything important even if its true.
Example: In my province there were almost NO muslims anywhere and you would be shocked to find a small mosque anywhere.
In recent decades, we began to attract more and more doctors and wealthy businessmen from Jordan and other 'Muslim Nations'.
So for example, my next door neighbour is from there. Now they have started a family.
Now there went from 0% to now 5 people.
So really its true that 'Islam' is the 'fastest growing religion' in town.
But
Do you see how that doesnt mean its winning converts and taking over the world.

This is like saying Christianity is the fastest growing religion in Indonesia.
Yes, but this there were not many to start wth and they are still a small minority.
But 'technically' they are 'fastest growing'

Even then, I would have to see your sources for this because I hear it all the time as a justification for the Koran and yet others say that Buddhism is the fastest growing, while others say that 'gnostiicism' is the fastest growing. (from almost nothing to thousands and doubling numbers every year.. and still a tiny minority).

Anyways, looking forward to your reply next week.

 

tonny, like i said earlier ..don't be drainin your energy on haters. they're set in their minds and are ridin the waves of hate and ignorance ..you can bring all that you want, show'em where they go wrong et al. but the fact of the matter is, you be bangin your head against the wall

when you come across sickness or disease, feel sorry - dont fight it!

 

Yeah, Jonny is a brick wall, and erasmus is a slightly less educated brick wall, no use talking to them about things you cant change, just like it is no use for them talking to us about things they cant change.

 

I believe there was a question about Jesus spending three days and three nights (as Jonah did).
It was demonstrated that although there are several valid ways this is true... there is at least one that is best.

So, the only people in here how are just being 'close minded' or hateful is Ewok and Spook.
The only person who will NOT reply to the answer is CatStevens.

I bet you anything, Catstevens DOES NOT GIVE A FUCK whether or not he just heard a perfectly valid explanation how Jesus does spend three days and nights.
He will now go to another forum and ask the same question anyways.

Am I right?
Yes.
Why am I right?
Because Catstevens had no intention of getting an answer and he definately did not want to find a perfectly valid explanation either!
That has NOTHING to do with him posting the question.
He DOES POST it because (in his mind) he has found out that many Christians cant answer this question.
They become confused.
They might thing "oh.. hmmm.. Maybe Allah is the real God'

In other words, Catstevens (and you two) are the ones who are truly disinterested in any facts.
You DEMONSTRATE that by REFUSING to reply to the Wednesday Passover (which would EXACTLY and PERFECTLY explain the Johah questions)

But..
Maybe there IS a good way for you to reply or a counter point but we will never know because Catstevens or you two WILL NOT EVER SPEAK OF IT AGAIN.

So you may now STFU about accusing others of 'Refusing to see' when you are blatantly and without mistake doing that yourselves right now.

If you want to shut me up its easy - REPLY WITH A COUNTER ARGUMENT TO THE WEDNESDAY PASSOVER
or
ADMIT THAT THE BIBLE HAS THIS SCRIPTURE IN PERFECT ORDER.

Watch.. this thread will stop immediately and none of you will have an answer.
Nope.

 

Read Psalm 137, you baby killer.

 

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Its as though these sicko muslims actually believe that every convert is proof they are right - its like theyre saying that just because somebody is so confused about the world that they choose to accept the fantasy that an invisible being is either screwing their life over - or helping them be good - that somehow this proves the west is wrong and they are right HA HA HA HA HA
sick people huh all lies no truth to them

The main point being that the majority of converts they point out are either ex jews or americans - its like a game to them and leaves me wodering this - when a person who previously ate pork begins to convert - at what point do you stop eating pork? Do you wake up one day and say - thats it no more pork for me i am a muslim - or do you say - hmm I'm not enough of a muslim yet - maybe one more bacon sandwich wont do any harm

What they are saying is there seems to be a register of converts - they know exactly how many have converted and dont mind using these peoples names as a tool of propoganda

question: If islam is peace loving - why spam forums with propogandist bullshit because you never reply to anything that questions your faith or the facts about these converts

 

once you convert to islam you should immediatly stop eating porch

 

Jonyy2mad is a terrorist who supports the holocaust of thousands of Japanese civilians, but gets ah so self righteous when the same is done to anyone else. Hypocracy is an interesting thing to watch.

Those in power must slowly lose it, so everyone is safe from them. Until then we need to work to keep them busy burying their dead, just as they want the weak to bury their dead by killing them by the thousands in one nation after another.

The World is waking up to the tyrants all over. From South America to the far coasts of China and technology is spreading all over too. The tyrants have a few more years to strut, then the whimpering will begin. Mark my WORDS!!

 

Hm. I live in "butt fuck" Tennessee and Muslims do fine here.

 

(i do not intend to offend or disrespect any person or religion in what i have to say. Personally i feel myself and my religion to be offended by wut jonny2mad has said previously but i am expressing myself in a controlled way)

this is aimed directly at jonny2mad
The prophet muhammed(pbuh) did not have sex with young girls he married a YOUNGER(not young) woman(who by the way was a slave he freed) in order to have children but he only did this after his wife advised him to. And i would really appreciate it if you spoke with a little more respect when you refer to islam or the prophet. Now when you say prophet muhammed(pbuh) made ppl into slaves, look at the alternative. First of all in the US, slaves were forced to work in terrible conditions with no respect and a beating when the corn had too much salt, whereas the Prophet made sure these "slaves" were properly fed, housed, and conditioned with their family and gave them days off very often and this was at a time when currency was not as big a deal as it is now. Now you ask for any records of the prophet freeing slaves. You want to know where they are? theyre in the same place where the records of the Prophet Jesus(pbuh) records of healing people are. There is no record but the Quran and Bible and we take it as true because these are our beliefs. As for Iran and the nuclear dilemma you speak of. If you are a man(or woman) and you feel yourself under threat because of any beliefs or ideas you have and you began to work out so your arms get a little stronger and you can defend yourself against any possible threats would you stop because a group of the very same people who condemn you because of your beliefs ask you to? No you wouldnt and thats for sure unless your a coward and have nothing to live for. As for the chopping of peoples hands, that was a punishment used in the days of the prophet put into effect only when someone was caught stealing. These days it is not used. For those of you who are disturbed by the idea maybe we should consider the romans, who dragged men into arenas to be devoured by starved lions. I dont know about you, but I personally consider getting my hand chopped for doing something wrong a much better alternative to being scarfed down by a hungry lion for the entertainment of higher status people. Islam is a religion that preaches peace and forgiveness, BUT Islam does not teach us to turn the other cheek. It is stated in the quran that forgiveness and allowing Allah to punish the wrongdoer on the afterlife is better, but to defend yourself or avenge your brother who was scarfed down by a wolf for a mans entertainment is not wrong.

-Badori