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Discussion in 'The Whiners' started by moon_flower, Nov 5, 2006.

  1. spooner

    spooner is done.

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    Victor's justice. :rolleyes:
     
  2. prismatism

    prismatism loves you

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    yeah, killing him is really stupid and pointless and cruel. killing anyone is. losing faith in the ability to connect to ANY human being is a really sad sign of where our population is, spiritually and ethically. but we're getting worked up over this when how many equally human people are still being killed for more frivolous and unneccessary reasons? just because it's not made into a spectacle (fucking HANGING??) it slips right by. ultimately, death is not wrong, but it would be amazing to see us advance to becoming a society that respects life. it's so fucking elementary. you are living. someday you will die. not debatable. should we appreciate that fact? how is it still up in the air, undecided?

    i think if ANYONE protests the death of ANYONE ELSE, even if we as humanity can't recognize the worth in them, they should not die.

    there was this artist a few years ago, who cut up and manipulated dead animal corpses in "beautiful" ways and photographed them. a lot of people got really pissed off. and she killed probably less than a hundred animals. of course, it's not a very productive or nice thing to do. but walk into a supermarket or a clinic, and think about how many brutal killings and how much torture you haven't seen. it's not cool (in my eyes) to kill things for the sake of art, but if we get angry about that and then go take an advil, spray ourselves with perfume, and eat a hotdog, we're hypocrites. feel empathy towards everyone and everything equally or shut up.

    we think, "who's forgiveable?" and some of us think, "well, pretty much everyone... except sociopaths." but sociopaths are a direct objective reflection and production of the culture they were raised in. they see propriety and ethics the way we see math. they know exactly where it works, where it can be applied, and how. if you teach a kid that 5 +7 = 4, and teach him nothing else all his life, he's gonna believe it. if we lived in a loving society, that gave half a rat's ass about the well being of others, sociopaths would be undetectable.

    the whole damn world needs to sit down and watch the lion king and the fox and the hound, god damnit...
     
  3. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    Eh, as long as there are killers, massmurderers and wars in the world you can't avoid people to hate those people. Unfortunately, agressors will always roam the world. So it is unavoidable that people want other people to get punished and some weirdo's really n eed to be locked up.

    I'm not for death sentences neither, but in some cases I can understand other people are. In my opinion Sadam should be locked up, too bad that costs money but killing him isn't really a punishment I think.
     
  4. canadian_boy

    canadian_boy Brohn Zmith

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    He should not be put to death because , i consider, that dying would be getting away with all his horrible massacres too easily. If he still has a conscience, it'll be way tougher to live the rest of his life in guilt ...
     
  5. Orsino2

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    I sincerely feel, on the domestic front, that President Bush is just as backasswards as Saddam.

    Otherwise, I just think he's a bumbling fool who might as well be hung alongside if they're going to do it... even though I really do not support the death penalty. It does not matter wether you butcher six hundred and sixty-seven babies on an upside down whatever, you know what I mean. When you are sentenced to die by a jury, every person doing duty there should also be charged with first-degree murder.

    And to any person who supports the death penalty and is pro-life or is vegetarian and pro-death penalty, I'd like to hear just exactly how that makes logical sense to you. Though, if I were a woman, I would be pro-life (though, only in my own personal instances), due to it being contingent upon the time and situation. I feel all women should have the right to decide for themselves and it is not an issue for males to toy with.

    And if I cast a vote for anyone for president in '08, it'll be for Barrack Obama, Kinky Friedman (if he isn't elected by the people to the gubernatorial seat in Tejas), Dennis Kucinich, or Christopher Walken.

    Though... if Kinky isn't elected, he probably won't go that far.

    On the possibility of losing: "If I lose this race I will retire in a petulant snit," he said. "I'm not going to go out gracefully, I promise you." Friedman later clarified his statement, saying "If Perry wins, I retire a petulant snit on a goat farm. If Bell wins, I move to France with Barbra Streisand. If Strayhorn wins, I blow my fucking head off." - Kinky Friedman

    You will find my opinion and political endorsements for today's midterm elections listed here.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXfKNLUWzbw


    Give em' hell.
     
  6. mr.mescalito

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  7. prismatism

    prismatism loves you

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    i really like obama... and in any case i'm optimistic... i don't know how that makes sense logically but i am x___x...

    there's a man called bo lozoff, he wrote a book called We're All Doing Time. i haven't read it, but i read an interview with him... he writes back and forth with people in prisons, all kinds of people we would consider beyond help and complete wastes of humanity. he teaches them yoga and meditation, and helps them spiritually... i'm not very good at explaining it, but it's interesting. in every person there is the potential for godliness...


    i used to just assume i was pro-choice because it's the natural "liberal" standpoint... but i thought about it... and until science and religion can agree on an exact point in time where "life" begins, they shouldn't be fucking with it. and what if someday we find out, for a fact, that life begins at the very first possible moment... how will all the doctors, and girls who had abortions, feel knowing they unknowingly murdered someone?

    every life is perfect. every death is perfect. we have free will, but each of our actions is a reflection of who we are...
     
  8. Orsino2

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    Science can only go so far.... then comes God, as we progress further into elaborating the realms of scientific knowledge.
     
  9. prismatism

    prismatism loves you

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    we're accepting gray area as something substantial... even though it's constantly changing and usually in conflict with itself, we never doubt it's status as fact.
     
  10. Orsino2

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    To be honest, I'm just getting tired of having the same re-occuring elections with politicans that just look different, same issues, same policies.

    I've always just called it Same-Shit, Different-Day politics (SSDD).
     
  11. Illmaeo

    Illmaeo Member

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    "They tellin' you to never worry about the future
    They tellin' you to never worry about the torture
    They tellin' you that you'll never see the horror
    Spend it all today and we will bill you tomorrow
    Three piece suits and bank accounts in Bahamas
    Wall street crime will never send you to the slammer
    Tell all the children in the arms of their mommas
    The F-15 is a homocide bomber

    TV commercials for a pop-a-pill culture
    Drug companies circling like a vulture
    Amer-Iraqi babies with a G.I. Joe father
    Ten years from now is anybody gonna bother?"

    -Michael Franti
     
  12. ConeyIslandOfTheMind

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    Alright, I'm gonna be the devil's advocate and whatnot and go out on a limb here.

    Saddam Hussein is a heartless human being. He shows no remorse for the destruction he's caused.

    George Bush, albeit he's a moron and shouldn't be in office, actually does have a heart. If you've ever met Bush in person, which I highly doubt you have, he's actually just like any other hospitable Texan. If you met Saddam Hussein in person, I doubt he'd shake your hand and say "howdy". The duty of American president is one of the hardest...no, I'll say it IS the hardest job on earth. No man has or will do it right.

    You say it's "cold-blooded murder" that Bush has committed, but I don't see it. You can call any one of our former presidents a "cold-blooded murderer" then, because almost all of them has had to make a decision like the one Bush has made.

    Call Abe Lincoln a cold-blooded murderer. Call FDR one, too.

    You're a moron if you think Saddam Hussein is less of a criminal than Bush. A moron. God, I never thought I'd be standing up for GW, but shit, that's just stupid.
     
  13. spooner

    spooner is done.

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    You don't see the irony in trying and executing Saddam Hussein for human rights violations in a politicized and biased trial that violates human rights?

    I know it slaps me in the face.
     
  14. canadian_boy

    canadian_boy Brohn Zmith

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    I see it ...
     
  15. Orsino2

    Orsino2 Hip Forums Supporter HipForums Supporter

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    Quite true, there....

    But I still feel they might as well just hang everyone if they're going to hang one guy. They're already going against one of my morals, they might as well go the whole nine yards and string em up like x-mas lights in an Alabama trailer park. There's just too much bullshit involved with a trial of this matter and the capability of having missing links in the fence.

    Honestly, I just thought it was funny to keep making him go to court for the rest of his life and holding him in contempt of court 75 percent of the time. :nopity:That would probably piss him off most. I'm sure he'd rather accept a sacrifice of martyrdom than be screwed with for the rest of his life.
     
  16. play-with-your-mind

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    Absolutley, any president who went to war when there was no immediate danger (southern states seceding is not a danger) was a cold-blooded murderer. Don't assume that I think any of those men aren't murderers. People who kill are murderers. Done.
     
  17. ConeyIslandOfTheMind

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    Oh, most definetely. I was just appalled that anyone could think George Bush's actions are worse than Saddam's. It just doesn't make sense to me.

    Nice analogy, by the way, with the Christmas lights. :D That made my night. :D
     
  18. ConeyIslandOfTheMind

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    You know, killing a man isn't always an act done in cold blood. There's pity involved, there's principles, there's a whole lot more involved than the simple act of killing. Unless you're a sociopath, it's not that simple.

    Secession wasn't a danger? Are you kidding? If the south had succeeded in breaking from the Union, it would probably still be stuck in some feudalist social scheme. Not to mention, the institution of slavery would have been perpetuated, and you would have a northern region pretty much ruling over the Confederacy with industry and manufacturing. Secession wasn't an immediate danger? My ass it wasn't an immediate danger.
     
  19. Inavacuum

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    I've always thought it would be cool to give him his own TV show where viewers write in listing the activitys they want him to partake in and if he refuses one he gets exiled to the moon....hey i think it'd be a cool show
     
  20. moon_flower

    moon_flower Banned

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    War has actually done a lot for the US of A.
    Having said that, I do NOT agree with this war.
    And, yes, Saddam is 100000000000000000x's worse than Dubya will EVER be.
     

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