Fa free thinking forum...

No rewards wanted here, just the want to talk about the rewards of truth.

Dislike me all you want, because I understand why some would.

@Thedope, you speak those words again. I do find those to be most agreeable of whom I agree with most. That said, Djavu is a wonderful person inside and out. Fact is, so is everybody here. We all can find agreement in that we do not exist alone, and disagree why we may feel isolated in this world, being alone. There are problems. Most are not in our control.


What I know is that some others do not know a simple truth hidden in plain sight. It won't jump at you, you have to look for it. If you don't you are swallowed up by the Program. Alx said it best, Lose Your Illusions - What you may think you know is molested and thus not truth or pure existence on this Earth. A lot of the mass mindset and attitudes and dispositions are contrived into absolute abstraction to keep the heard....fa well ordered flock.

You'll never get to this insight without looking, it won't spawn in you naturally.

Just having these thoughts is a bad idea it seems. I wonder why ?

It all stops here.

 

I trust that Jesus existed, as Christianity is the only religion based on an actual person who walked this Earth...

I was baptized Christian, however, I walk to the beat of my own drum and I don't follow any specific religious path. I believe in a higher power, but to say Jesus is truth really validates the point that Christianity is a very closed-minded religion.

rambleON, do you respect that some religions follow Buddha or Allah or any other god/goddess/prophet/etc? Most Christians I know say that God and Jesus are the only ones and all other religions are wrong. If you can be open-minded to the fact that Jesus is not TRUTH to everyone, then you are good in my book...if not, then you may want to rethink your statement and talk to someone of a different faith...

 

Absolutely I do ! Different religions all stem from the same truth of Jesus in God's image. However, there are many different talking points, disagreements and convictions in the Bible that has made fine splits in the direction of worship. I can think of a big one, Jesus's chosen people ? Who are they really ? This is and has been a hot issue in the middle East for as long as there has been our Jesus. Even more is the disinformation spit by man made Vatican with the hogwash of Zion being made of man and not pure in heaven. That last statement is a big reason why the world is they way one may see it or why one is a drone out puppet of those who contain this pure knowledge.

There was only one path of man. One truth and it has been kept from the masses as nothing of importance, while behind the proverbial curtains the motions are set, the snares are lured and the show is on. I do believe we are in the final hour. Jesus will return.



To understand, you must, must look into it.

I do not have the intellectual capacity to explain it or the ability to understand it all myself. I pray for truth everyday.

 

I have a suggestion:

In saying that Jesus said "I am the way, the truth, and the life,,,", it is useful to examine the meaning here.

In saying "truth", was he merely referring to "a" truth, or "the only truth", or perhaps the fact that he exhibited the REALITY of God in his humanity? In saying "truth", we often neglect to realize that the word "truth" can take on several meanings. One is an objective truth, the other is related to the man, and not merely his "beliefs" or "thought processes".

Jesus claimed to be "the way", "the truth", and "the life". In saying that he was, or is "the way", is he saying the he himself, the individual person, is "the way", and that we all ought to be merely his "followers"? Or was he saying that in being "the way", he is not only the "leader", but also the MANNER in which one realizes God? In living as a human being, rather than merely a God, was he saying that in order to know God, the Father (as he goes on to say,,John 14, early in the chapter) that one must know HIM, intimately, as HE HIMSELF is the Father's incarnation?

And going on, in saying that he was/is "the truth", is he merely referring to something he preaches, or the very being of God, made real to us. This also needs clarification, as we often objectify things, to the exclusion of the intrinsic nature of the thing, to be discovered subjectively, by means of our innermost being. I do believe that "the truth" here is referring to the fact that in his living, the REAL God is. Reading about his life, his manner, his humanity, one would not find it difficult to believe so.

And finally, referring to himself as "the life", was he merely referring to the outward, objective manner of living, wearing certain things, going here and there, or something more intrinsic? Perhaps the fact that in being the very manifestation of the Father in human form, he was saying that he wasn't merely a "prophet", as some say, but God himself. Indeed, as the scripture states, the very essence and person of Jesus is now available to us all as Spirit, to be freely taken in, as one would drink a glass of water, and in so doing, one would be drinking God.

Sounds pretty refreshing to me.

So, in conclusion, I do not believe that "the truth" is something merely of doctrine or teaching, but simply God himself, made real to us humanly, and not only objectively, but also subjectively, in our experience.

This is much more than most of what passes for modern "christianity" offers. Mostly from what I've heard, if you do good things, and dislike bad things,,you're guaranteed a place in the good place, and not the bad place. Very superficial, in comparison to having a place in God.

Indeed, the picture shown us in the Old Testament offers a view of the "enterable God", in symbolic form, in the tabernacle and the temple.

End of speech,,haha.

 

this may be the single least informed statement i have ever read in this forum

probably not, sadly . . .

 

Don't bother with these people. It's not worth it.

 

one might have argued that it is in fact stupid to base reasoning on a single unsupported claim

one might have argued that it was a zen approach

one cannot argue that it was a rhetorical device

 

what other religions do you know of that worship someone who actually walked this planet? With exceptions of the things like The Church of the Fonz (who was, in fact, fictional)

And I'm talking MAJOR religions...not the ones people invent in their back yards and have 10 people following

 

buddha .. mohammed...bejesus knows how many saints the catholics pray to these days.... you ain't applying enough thought to your own question :mickey:

 

I think what all truly spiritual people can agree on is that the answer does not lie in someone's doctrine, but in a deeper realization, and especially within each of us, in a place that is not merely intellectual. I think what "non-christians" tend to neglect is the acknowledgment of their need for a "redeemer", who sacrificed his life to provide restitution to God for people's offenses. That's usually where the problem arises, as some do not agree with the idea that offenses, trespasses or misdeeds can create a problem in accessing the Divine. Without that awareness, the awareness of one's own polluted, or infected nature, and that it creates a problem in knowing the Divine that begs a remedy, one could probably not see the need for a "Savior".

In that sense, then, there are, perhaps, many who have not yet "discovered" the truth, in that they have not yet realized their own involvement in the negative side of things, and the need for a remedy, and not just "rehab".

 

"These people?" Give me a break...I'm stating what I've learned in religion classes I took in college. Forgive me if I'm not exactly technical right down to the last dot, but in actuality Jesus is the "savior" in Catholicism in Christianity alike and I was told that these religions were the only ones based on a real person.

Forgive me for not having all the time in the world to look up other living Gods...

 

Actually, the others did not claim to be God incarnate.

But it wasn't as if Jesus was walking about boasting about it. In fact, he often told those who saw him heal someone not to tell them that he was the Christ, but to keep it "under their hat".

But he did tell the truth, in saying the "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father." He was not merely a "prophet", as some say (Muslims, etc.), but the manifestation of God in humanity.

But yes, Mohammed, the "Buddha", these were real men, walking the earth. Mohammed promoted killing and was a child molester, however, while Jesus told his disciples to "put up the sword", and "love your enemies". Big difference.

Buddha never spoke of a need for redemption.

 

Sorry when I said those people I mainly meant the other two. But...

Was it a Catholic College?

Religion is not important in my daily life. But I did minor in it in college.

And my real negativity came not from their comments or discussion-but the OP's first post together with his following posts and the thread title.

 

My OP statement is simply true. This happens and is happening.

I am not above anyone. Either are you.

 

If you had a discussion about how Jesus was important to you and wanted to have an open discussion about religion-hearing about how other people's religions were important to them-that would have been a NICE discussion.

I enjoy an open discussion. Comparing beliefs. Religions. How they challenge you in life.

But you didn't bring that. You needed to 'shout from the rooftop' and drown out other discussion. You weren't interested in sharing thoughts. You wanted us to HEAR you.

And that is where you fail your original post. There was no free thinking. You just wanted us to listen to you.

 

From what quarter were you encouraged to seek? The fact is, having a solution means there must be a problem. We seek solutions to problems because problems seem to be problematic. People have a capacity to endure pain but it is not indefinite.

I think it is the exclusionary tone, not the idea. You cannot have what you are unwilling to share. Everyone has a claim on goodness, and what you do not share is taken from you. To him who has much more will be given, but to him who has little, even that will be taken away.
For instance if you make a claim to special knowledge, then the response in general is, you don't have any knowledge at all. If you point to a knowledge that belongs to all of us, then you allow them to claim it for their own. This way knowledge grows.

 

Yes, there is a problem.

Where to start ? The path is to first unveil who runs this world and why they do it. Answer this question first. Who are they and how long have they been ?

Second, answer the question of how do they maintain ? What devices are used and what is at their disposal to maintain the ideal state. Symbols are key.

Third, what is the ideal state ?

Then you can begin to understand the things around you, why you are taught the things you are taught, why history is ignored and why other ideas and information is suppressed. Even why there is a general state of disassociation in the mass and how and why it is ? What is built around us seemingly natural but so artificial ?

Again, their is only one truth I can not point you in any direction to find these things out. You have to be aware of a problem first. Their is a magic hand pulling levers in this world for agenda. NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. Not one source will give you the answer.

There is no such thing as an exclusionary tone.

This is not about philosophy, its about one reality. Not about fulfillment of ideals or sharing. In fact this is not about the material self. It will never be or has it ever been.

 

Where is the fail in this ? You are correct sir.

 

That's an interesting idea... do you think any of them will get around to trying it sometime ?

Surely we dont really know what Jesus may have said or thought. The official stuff claiming to represent his views is generally believed to have been written down at least a generation, maybe more, after his lifetime. We all know how oral traditions can change with the retelling, and equally how anyone so inclined can put their own spin on it.

I mean, Jesus's name actually wasn't even Jesus, was it ?


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Troof.

"there is no free thought here, because you don't all follow MY brand of free thinking. There's no question or need for discussion, because I'm the only free thinker here"