Fa free thinking forum...

I’m open to the possibility that he existed and even walked on water .

Granted I do it all the time on a frozen pond a mile from my house


Hotwater

 

please, continue to ramble on

 

I couldn't care less whether he "walked on water" or not. I'm not into miracles. They were symbolic. The "water" represents something, as does the ability to "stay on top" of it. Even if they literally happened, it makes not difference, as the real importance is in the symbolism, for us today, not in re-creating "miraculous" events. That's no more than a magic show.

As far as "existed", that's a no-brainer, unless your brain chooses to have pre-conceived biases. Not only did Jesus "exist", he conquered death. Death couldn't hold him. His is the indestructible eternal life of God, over which death has no power.

But I don't blame the skeptics. There's a lot of hogwash in "mainstream" christianity. Actually having read, and knowing the scriptures, due to time spent in an isolative situation, where I was free to read, and only read, makes me qualified. I'm quite familiar with the book, and don't accept the spin that a lot of religious christians put on it, using it to condemn others especially. I also had some valuable help along the way.

But most arguments turn into polarizations of issues that are often two-sided, like a coin. The challenge is in salvaging the truth from both sides, instead of forming opposing camps.

 

You sure spout off a lot of crap to be this condescending.

 

How profound. You've touched my very soul,,

 

If you know something others do not you have to shout it from the roof top.

The only spout that has crap in it is your shampooed mind.

 

meaning that it helps to be lacking a brain?

 

We all know lots of things that other don't.

Only a few asses have the need to shout it from a roof top.

Your original post in this thread-

It looks like you came here almost looking for an argument. Maybe you should take your shouting to another roof top.

 

You also did title this thread "free thinking forum" - it seems that when you are questioned that you are attacking others thinking free.

You should welcome them thinking other things.

 

Knowledge is being shared. What could you know that others do not?

 

it's incredibly hard to find a Free Thinker ......... anyone who has gone to the trouble of expressing their thoughts inevitably wants to be rewarded for them

 

RambleOn! lol You won't lose your roots, but why roof the top!?

If Jesus is the only truth, wat does that make us?! When he said he was the truth, and the way, and the life, etc etc, I'm sure he wasn't trying to exclude anyone! He just wanted to show everyone...to everyone!

I'm just a fool atheist, but I haven't given up on miracles!

 

thedope:

Himself is Wat! Shared being means we have to know it's not completely shared yet. Ramb feels this acutely. As do you. Wish got to stick together, even if we start spacking in tongue!

 

That is called proselytizing. There are two categories of people that think they know better than everyone else and need to tell them about it. Religious zealots and politicians - and most people hate both.

It isn't because they are scared of the truth.

*fingersinears* I can't hear any opinion different than mine because they're all brainwashed *fingersinears*

 

Awwww Sitka, Ramb's not a polly or a prossy! He's just a prolly! Prolly really ready for stuff to start changing wat. By stuff I'm not trying to push any, I promise, and by promising I'm not asking you to be-live me. I just know he's alright, and not at all hattable.

 

It is for the sake of together being that I ask the question. We find those most agreeable whom we agree with. Being is completely shared, but we can imagine we exist alone and temptation is the desire to have lonely illusions be real.

 

I like shampooed mind, brain washing is good for a dirty mind.

 

thedope:

I knew you were going to say that! lol Being can be completely shared. I am not feeling blissful this very instant. That is not a complaint, but a fact. The temptation to let facts rule us is not our purest desire, thankfully.

 

Hahahahaha.

I haven't laughed that hard off a post in a while luna. :biggrin:

 

That's just an argumentative response, or verbal judo. Go to the other, literal extreme, in order to put the "adversary" off-balance.

What I mean by "no-brainer" is that it doesn't take a huge amount of thought in order to realize that yes, Jesus "existed". It's like the old saying it's more difficult to frown than it is to smile. Well, believing in Jesus is smiling. Trying not to is a lot more work, at least it is to me.

Actually, the brain, or rather the "intellectual approach" isn't always necessary. Sometimes, in fact, it's merely an enslavement to the mind. We can get so dependent on the process of logic that we become a bit "Spockish". That can be a good thing, or merely a peculiarity. The human mind isn't necessarily the most precious, the most valuable part of any of us. Hence, the term "nerd". Without the human spirit, we are all just animals.

But sadly, some rigid, uncompromising intellectuals rationalize away the possibility of there even being a "human spirit". Demands for "empirical evidence" are most often called for by this camp.

Some knowledge is not yet shared. There is more than one kind of knowledge. General, objective knowledge is mostly accessible to all. But let's say that you've discovered a little inn, where the breakfasts are the best you've ever had. You feel compelled to mention it to others, who have not yet found it.

So, yes, there is always that possibility that someone may know something that you or I do not yet "know", personally, subjectively, intimately.

And skepticism, as valuable as it can be in protecting us from others delusions, can also keep us believing that what others have truly discovered are merely "lonely illusions".

It's always best to keep an open mind, in spite of the way some proponents behave. Jerks will always be jerks, until they grow. Unfortunately, some of those jerks know things that good people have not yet discovered.

Even if a hateful, bigoted, angry and selfish man discovers gold, he's still wealthy. Eventually, his wealth may cause him to become more generous. We can't help being what we've become through the process of transformation, due to the influences we've been under in our coming up. But we all can change.