Explain...

that is a beautiful post meagain

 

No! what you are seeing is a piece of rock or a piece of a tree, Allah(may he be exalted) is far above having such an appearance, christians who bow to a cross or to Jesus(peace be upon him) are in a great error, worshipping something/one and making him equal to the lord. How dear you claim such a thing about Allah(may he be exalted) without knowledge?
Joseph(peace be upon him) said: (interpretation of the meaning)

"If not Him, ye worship nothing but names which ye have named,- ye and your fathers,- for which Allah hath sent down no authority: the command is for none but Allah: He hath commanded that ye worship none but Him: that is the right religion, but most men understand not...[Quran Yousuf]

"Don't muslims kneel and kiss the ground while saying namaz? Does that then mean that they are worshipping the dust, or the four walls of the room they are in? At Mecca, is not the most solemn moment of the pilgrim when they get to touch the Black Stone? Is it not worshipped from a distance? Do pilgrims not touch the walls of the ka'bah? Who is that different from worshipping at the temple where the Dalai Lamas are buried?"

I´ve never heard about muslims kissing the ground as a worship, we follow the way of the prophet(peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) and we do not come with innovations. The most important part of the pilgrammage is not the kissing of the stone sense it´s a sunnah but the day of Arafah is the most important day and there is no evidence of touching and rubbing the walls of kaba to be done, once again speak not without knowledge.

The difference of worshipping the temple were Dali lamas are buried and what the muslims do at hajj is a big difference, we direct are prayers to the kaba so as to have a direction of prayer but we do not bow like some buddhists to a temple which can neither harm nor do good. About the kissing of the stone,

Narrated Zaid bin Aslam from his father who said: "Umar bin Al-Khattab addressed the Corner (Black Stone) saying, 'BY ALLAH! I KNOW THAT YOU ARE A STONE AND CAN NEITHER BENEFIT NOR HARM. Had I not seen the Prophet touching (and kissing) you, I would never have touched (and kissed) you.

"As for the monastic rules, the reasons for them are quite obvious to me.
Not hoarding food, not keeping any possessions, etc is a way to develop detachment from physical comforts and "needs".
To go and beg for food requires a lack of egoism. A beggar cannot have a great sense of pride, thus it is a lesson in humility. It is also a way of developing control over the body and the senses. Eat whatever is given to you, so you are not governed by the taste or quantity of food (in some sanyasa traditios in Hinduism, not only do monks have to beg, they must wash the food 3 times to remove all spices and make it as bland and tasteless as possible). This is the sam reason why monks are not allowed to cook food either.
Water is essential for the body, more than food, therefore water is allowed to the monks at any time. Also a monk, as a part of his practise, must do japa/chanting, so it is important that he have water so thathis throat does not go dry.
Out of respect for life you don't eat fertile seed bearing fruit and try to maintain vegetarianism.
Celibacy of course is very important as it is the easiest thing in the world to get attached to sexual pleasures, they are a great distracting, a great source of attachement. Hence monks are told to avoid even touching a woman when she offers food.
Also the life of beggary is good for others, it teaches those who feed the monks the joy of giving and charity. Is that not a central tenet of all religions?"

The prophet(peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) and his companions lived simple lives, despite the fact of the power he possesed as a messanger he lived a simple life, there could pass months without food being cooked in his house, they lived on dates and small food, his companions garments were torn and old even though they could after the conquests of the muslims build them selves palaces, but the difference is they did not beg!, the prophet(peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) never accepter charity in his whole life while he commanded people to give it, the upper hand is better than the lower and his example is the best of examples. Sexual pleasures are indeed a temptation, the prophet(peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) had not left behind a greater temptation than woman as he said in a narration. But celibacy is not like chasteness

And for such as had entertained the fear of standing before their Lord's (tribunal) and had restrained (their) soul from lower desires,

Their abode will be the Garden.[Quran Naziat]

If the prophet(peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) had lived in celibacy like John(peace be upon him) his followers would have done the same and this nation would have alot less members, I swear by Allah, if he wouldn´t have married I also wouldn´t want to marry! It is better for a man to be struck by a needle than to touch a woman who isn´t a close relative to him as tought by the prophet(peace and blessing of Allah be upon him)

Do not mix falsehood, polytheistic ideas with the pure worship of on Allah(may he be exalted). To worship a stone is not like worshipping The Lord!

Truly it is not their eyes that are blind, but their hearts which are in their breasts.[Quran]

 

I agree with your saying that God is far beyond appearance. What you failt o understand is that everything that has appearance is also a manifestation of the Lord alone. That includes you and it includes me. Why do you not understand that God is not separate from creation? Everything in the world is a manifestation of God alone! If you fail to understand the rpesence of God in everything then you limit God's power. To say that there is anything at all that has existence outside of God is to limit God and God's power. That indeed is an act of gross foolishness, for it defeats the entire concept God as omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent.

If God is present everywhere and in everyone, if one can see another, not as a mere bundle of bones and flesh, but as the God that resides within, if one can see a stone as more than a conglomeration of minerals, but as the God that imbues every atom of it, then One is not worshipping the stone, one is not worshipping the wood, one is not worshipping the other people, one is worshipping the lord alone, in thought and deed, in every moment of his life. This is not the worship of any other than the lord.

Your attitude of I will do what the prophet did, just because he said so, just because he did so, is rife with blind faith. I am certain he himself would have wished his followers would display more intelligence than that. Any actions of a person are according to the context and the time period in which they were enacted. To take them out of context and use them as rules for living, without understanding rhyme nor reason for it, is foolish to the core. If someone had seen the prophet kissing his wife, therefore had gone and kissed the prophet's wife himself, that would surely not have been an act that the prophet would have approved of.

The kaba is just a mosque, a building of stone. How is it different from a temple? Whether you bow or not is immaterial, that is the frm of prayer. The fact is you pray to a temple, Buddhists were doing the same. You say that you only used the mosque as to have a direction for prayer. That is exactly what the buddhists were doing. That is exactly what why people bow to a cross or an idol of shiva, or a statue of the buddha, simply to have something towards which we can direct our prayers. It is not the stone or the wood we pray to, it is the Lord, the idols are but symbols of that Lord.

 

Why do you not understand that God is not separate from creation? Everything in the world is a manifestation of God alone! If you fail to understand the rpesence of God in everything then you limit God's power.

We muslim have a little thing which we usually rely on called evidence, you see you claim that the Lord is everywhere but where did you get this information, did you perhaps sit under an oak-tree and somehow realised that Allah(may he be exalted) is everywhere and that worshipping a stone is like worshipping the Lord?

This, then, is how you should pray: “ ‘Our Father in heaven,..[Matthew 6.9]
(interpretation of the meaning):
Those, who fear their Lord who is above them" (Quran Al-Nahl 16:50)

The verses that speak about Allah(may he be exalted) being above the heavens are many and It is indeed normal for person, be he muslim or non muslim to acknowledge the fact that the Lord is above the heavens.
To say that Allah(may he be exalted) is everywhere means that he is in every garbage bag every toilet and in every filthy and digusting location which is indeed a great lie against the Creator, may he be exalted for truly the Lord is free from any defects.

Don´t try to make us believe that hindus are worshipping one Lord, indeed every villiage may have their own gods, and they call some of them the god of water the god of anger etc... and this is nothing else but horrible lies against He who created them!
Wake up! People do not worship Allah(may he be exalted) rather they worship Krishna, Vishu and Brahma and all the other fake gods which can neither harm nor do good.
(interpretation of the meaning):
88. Then he(Abraham) cast a glance at the stars,
89. And he said: "Verily, I am sick.''
90. So they turned away from him and departed.
91. Then he turned to their gods and said: "Will you not eat''
92. "What is the matter with you that you speak not''
93. Then he turned upon them, striking (them) with (his) right hand.
94. Then they came hastily towards him.
95. He said: "Worship you that which you (yourselves) carve''
96. "While Allah has created you and what you make![Quran Saffat]

Secondly, watch you words concerning the prophet(peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) and do not come and assume things such as your saying:
"I am certain he himself would have wished his followers would display more intelligence than that."

Allah's Apostle (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) said, "If somebody innovates something which is not in harmony with the principles of our religion, that thing is rejected."

The Prophet (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) said, "Leave me as I leave you, for the people who were before you were ruined because of their questions and their differences over their prophets. So, if I forbid you to do something, then keep away from it. And if I order you to do something, then do of it as much as you can.

"The best speech is that embodied in the Book of Allah, and the best guidance is the guidance given by Muhammad. The most evil affairs are their innovations; and every innovation is an error."
(interpretation of the meaning):
Verily in the messenger of Allah ye have a good example for him who looketh unto Allah and the Last Day, and remembereth Allah much[quran]

May Allah(may he be exalted) forgive those ignorant muslims who touch the kaba and rub it on them selves, if it would have been worth something doing that, the prophet(peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) would have done it. (interpretation of the meaning):

And whatsoever the messenger giveth you, take it. And whatsoever he forbiddeth, abstain (from it)... [Quran Hashr]

Kissing his wives was not allowed and thus their is nothing that should be followed sene it is forbidden, do not act foolish and give such bad analogue. Why chose to direct ones prayer to this certain temple, we direct our prayers to the kaba simply because we were orderd to do that but tell my why the worshipping of Dali lamas? These are what takes people into polytheism, this is what we muslims call Taghut: (interpretation of the meaning)

256. There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the right path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower.

257. Allah is the Wali (Protector or Guardian) of those who believe. He brings them out from darknesses into light. But as for those who disbelieve, their Awliya' (supporters and helpers) are Taghut (false deities and false leaders), they bring them out from light into darknesses. Those are the dwellers of the Fire, and they will abide therein forever[Quran]

 

Evidence? What evidence? Your religion stem from mohammed or whoever the fuck, correct? Where did he get his info? God? How would you even know? Because you were told so? For all you know, mohammed could have sat under a tree and pulled his scriptures or whatever out of his ass.... Besides, who better to learn from than yourself?

Is your god not everywhere? Is he not that all encompassing? He must be quite the lesser god in that case.... Why must anything have to be said to have come from a god? Are people not able to think for themselves?



Whatever, anyway I forget to sign that rep, so that bad one, yeah, it's from me.

 

Why did you come to this forum and start a thread pretending to seek information, but then proceed to badmouth and insult all other religions? I have been nothing but understanding with you, attempting to find a common ground on which we can agree, trying to accept your scriptures, but it is you who twist the meaning of the quran.

You are a fool who does not understand symbolism, however obvious. If Allah resides above the clouds, why did the astronauts not see her when the went around earth in their rocketships? By above, it clearly means nobler, higher in spirit, more evolved. Higher is a word always used as a term of respect in languages. "Upper class" does not refer to people that dwell at high altitudes.

And yes, God is in every toilet and in every garbage can also. After all he created shit, God created garbage. Did the prophet never use the restroom?

And if you dont like me talking about your religion, then you shouldnt talk about mine in your bottomless ignorance. I could explain to you that eveyr single diety in Hinduism is a manifestation of the same one God, brahman who is the only truth, all pervading and all powerful. I could explain that this formless infinite God is hard for people to visualise and understand, therefore there are various manifestations in which brahman is worshipped, that these manifestations each embody certain values for us to learn from and live our lives better, and as a focus point for our prayer (just like the walls of your beloved kaba). Unfortunately, you are so blind with your prejudice, so unwilling to accept anybody else's words but your own, that there is no use explaining to you. I might as well try and tell a deaf mute what it feels like to sing bhajans.

I entered this conversation thinking it would be a civil exchange of ideas. Now that you have exposed yourself as being just another fight mongering fool out to bash everyone who disagrees with them, I wish to have nothing further to do with you. And yes, I do believe you are God and I am God too. However, in vyavaharikasatta I reserve the right to have no wish to talk to you or the likes of you.

Hari Om tat sat.

Sri Krishna Sharanam Mama

Sri Rama Jaya Rama Jaya Jaya Ram

Sri Gurubhyo namah
Sri Ganeshaya Namaha

Buddham sharanam gachami

Namah parvati pataye hara hara mahadev
Illahu Akbar

Aham brahmasmi

Chidananda roopa shivoham shivoham

Om mani padmehum

Om hym, Om hreem

aakashat patitam toyam, yada gachati sagaram,
sarva deva namaskaraha, keshavam prati gachati.

Just as the waters that fall from the sky all reach the ocean eventually,
so too worship of all forms of the Lord reaches the One supreme brahman only.

 

Bhaskar, please do not let this anger or upset you. This has been a tuff thread to read. You are awesome! You have helped me through a lot of shit, and I see so much greatness and beauty in your words and wisdom. Just keep going. I know how you feel.


Later,
Ben. :sunglasse

Om Namo Narayanaya
Om Tare Tutare Ture Svaha

 

I was in the coffee shop during the summer, on a Saturday morning while on my way to work. While I was waiting on them to make the coffee, I saw a Christian Catholic Priest sitting at a table, alone, drinking a cup of coffee, so I went over to him and ask if I could ask him a question.

"Sure," he said. "Where is God," I asked.

Priest: "It is not so much as placing God in a particular location, because he is everywhere."
Me: "Then is God 'in' everything, and everywhere, in all people, animals and atoms?"
Priest: "Yes and even in Hell."
Me: "You don't want to tell protestants that, they're lible to lynch you." <smiling>. "Then why do Christians always look outside themselves, for if God is in everything, then isn't he also within all beings? and if he is within all beings, then why do Christians look in the one place so far removed from themselves?" <pointing skyward> "Why do they always look up there? Why not inside themselves?"

Then he went on to explain the Holy Eucarist (sp?)

Point is, if God is in everything, which Christians always seem to say he is, then why not within ourselves? I for one do not believe in God, but that does not mean that if believing in God is the right path for others, then I have no right to belittle them nor discourage them from believeing in what they want so long as it leads them to the correct path.

And if God is in everything, they that means he is in the three realms of the Christian faith {heaven, earth, and hell}.

And since I do not believe in God, then that also means I do not believe in Shiva or allah, but then again this does not mean that I should disparage those who want to believe in them.

With loving-kindness and compassion,

Darrell

 

When I say evidence I refer to source, if his source would be that he claims he recevies revelation every monday between 9 and 10 am or that this was the view of siddharta it would atleast qualify as a source even though one without grounds.


I have been to these forums more then a year now and I have no memories of having offended any jews, christians or hindus without any reasons, even though the hindu faith is more hatefull to me than death. But what you have done is different. It would be more dear to me if you would call me names or harras me but that is not the case what you do is you somehow connect polythestic ideas with a belief in 1 god and then justify it by writing how you understand the statement of Jesus(peace be upon him) and you even dare to assume a couple of things which were wrong about my faith, this to me is outraging.

And do not accuse me of having pretended something, I was wondering how siddharta could have known such things and where this enlightment came from and perhaps the most fully answer I got was dianas even though I still haven´t understod it, for instance she says:

"Some may argue it is because of karma--Buddha had already been getting closer to enlightenment in his previous lifetimes--but for those of us who don't believe in karma..."

How did he find out about karma, who informed him and other people about this? By the way, when I say a normal buddhist I refer to any buddhist so my previous question should be; Why don´t all buddhist receive enlightment or do you think you have already.

Well, do you Diana?

 

Did not you make assumptions upon the paths of others?

 

Like...

 

cabdirrazz, In this very thread, before I even posted here, you referred to Buddhism certain buddhist practices as disgusting, etc. I am not a buddhist, but I have great respect and love for the buddhist faith and i was offended by it, I am sure other buddhists also were offended by it.

Also, you are making the same assumptions and interpretations of Hinduism without having read or understood a SINGLE WORD of our philosophy. For no religion, except maybe Buddhism, is as blatantly non-dualistic as hinduism. Every single upanishad (there are more than 108) has a mahavakya, a statement identifying the himan spirit as being none other than god, the absolute brahman. Some examples:

aham brahmasmi ( I am brahman)
tat tvam asi (that brahman is you)
sarvam khalvidam brahma (the entire world is brahman alone)
ayam atma brahma (this soul is brahman)
prajnanam brahma (conciousness is brahman)
soham (He is me)

etc etc

In which other religion did the teachers stand up and proclaim that the entire universe is one God and that God is our true identity, that I am that god, so are you, so is everybody and everything created?

If you don't like others making false statements and judgements about your religion kindly don't do so about other religions either.

I could make a list of all that I find disgusting in Islam. I could talk about women's rights, brutal and most cruel and heartless animal slaughter, and much more. I choose not to, because I accept it as a great religion misunderstood by followers who accept it as blind faith rather than trying to understand the whys and wherefores. Anytime anybody accepts religious teachings in a "because God said so" or "because our scriptures said so" without having examined the logic of it, without wondering why it was said, there arises grave misunderstanding and misinterpretation of those words.

Although I was born Hindu and I lived in a Hindu monastery for many years as a child I declared myself agnostic, then atheist for several years. Then when I started seeing the beauty in life and thinking in a more mature way, I came to believe in a oneness of the universe and of all other universes in existence and a creative force that included all of that and was much much more. I refuse to accept the perfect way in which molecules interact to form flowers and stars as mere chance. I refuse to accept that the perfect smooth synchronisation of the universe, the cosmic dance of planets and galaxies and protons as a fluke. Having arrived at these conclusions I talked to my mother and she told me thatwhat I had stumbled upon is the very same things that upanishads and vedas said. So I studied hindusim deeper and I kept finding statements that seemed contradictory and wrong, but I always found that the contradictions and errors were in my understanding, for when explained to me, it made perfect sense and fit in with my values of non violence and equality. The day I find a statement in Hinduism that contradicts those values, I will renounce the religion. That is my promise, that is my confidence in those teachings.

 

Let me remind you that you, a muslim, have come to the Buddhism forum to discuss Buddhism. It is not that we, Buddhist (or similar), have come to the Islam forum to discuss Buddhism.


If you wish to discuss Buddhist teachings in context of Islamic teachings, then by all means, starts a thread there. If you wish to learn about Buddhism in terms of Buddhism, not Islam, then you are in the right place.

I believe we answered your question adequately in context of Buddhism, even if we haven't answered adequately in the context of Islam.

I will answer this again, repeating myself, I believe, for the 3rd time.

The Buddha got his teachings from his own observations.

I hope this answers your question.

Blessings

Sebbi

 

I apologize, my brother recently came home from college, and I have not been on my computer in nearly a week. There have been so many new replies on this thread, and so much to discuss!

Thanks Meagain for that post; I was not aware of the specific characteristics before now. However, I thought that some Buddhists did make offerings to statues on certain days/holidays.

"Mahayana nuns making offerings to the shrine"

As far as I know, the idea of karma was around long before Siddartha Gautama was born. It was a belief of Hinduism, and since Buddha was born in India there are many similarities between certain Buddhist and Hinduist ideas, karma being one of them.

That last question you posed is a difficult one to answer, for there are many other Buddhists much more knowledgeable, who know much more about Buddhism than I. I believe I have much more studying to do before I can confidently make significant statements about Buddhism...but here goes...

Haha, I have not recieved enlightenment yet, no, however I know that everyone is capable of reaching enlightenment. Therefore it is my belief that everyone can, and that whether in months or in lifetimes, each Buddhist has this ability. (I apologize if my answer seems vague, but for now I don't feel there is much else I can say)

I thought that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all believed that God/Allah was omnipotent and omnipresent. Since omnipresent implies being present everywhere at once, I would think that Bhaskar's argument would make sense. However, my knowledge in the monotheistic religions is limited, and I was wondering if I was incorrect in thinking that Allah is believed to be omnipresent.

Bhaskar) you're explanation of the many gods as a manifestation of the one was extremely interesting), could you provide insight into the ideas behind Shiva and Vishnu and their seemingly dualistic relationship between creation and destruction.

Sebbi's last post speaks of one point I was going to write in mine, so thanks, because I don't think I could have said it better!


In love,

Diana


One more thing, Cab, I was wondering if you could explain why you have such feelings of contempt toward Hinduism in particular.

 

The system of Hinduism is many layered. It is very complex in its symbolism and that is something that appeals very strongly to the poet in me. There is a richness and depth to it that seems almost infinite to me.

The three aspects of existence are birth, life and death or creation, existence and destruction. Brahman, the one infinite self, is above this play of the world and is the only true real entity. Everything else is within that brahman.

All the universes are created in brahman, exist in brahman and meet their destruction also within brahman only.

The creative aspect is called Brahma. He is depicted as a sage with four heads. The 4 heads could be seen as corresponding to the 4 vedas, which are said to have sprung from his head. Also they can be seen as a symbol of omniscience, he has a head pointing in each direction. He sits in a lotus, which is a symbol of beauty, knowledge and divinity. His consort is Saraswathy, goddess of learning, knowledge and language. His steed is the swan, a symbol of great knowledge and discriminative capacity (knowing the real from the unreal, in the way that a swan can separate milk from water, hence the title paramahamsa or the Greatest Swan is given to saints).



The existence, life aspect is Vishnu, the protector. To Him are attributed the qualities of kindness and mercy in infinite measure, and he is the very embodiment of dharma. Thus it is implied that dharma and kindness/mercy and love are the qualities that protect and hold the world together. His abode is vaikunta, where he reclines upon the serpent adisesha, floating upon an ocean of milk, while his wife, Lakshmi (goddess of wealth and prosperity) massages his feet. The symbolism is beautiful. The ocean of milk represents brahman, the substratum of the universe, infinite and sweet, blissful. The serpent represents the world of plurality, desire, and illusion. Vishnu himself represents the man of enlightenment, to who has conquered this deadly serpent of plurality and ignorance. He rests, ever peacefully. He never sleeps, but is always calm and peaceful. His feet are massaged by the goddess of wealth and material prosperity, for to an enlightened one, all material delights are available, yet he is not attached or bound to them, they serve him in awe, he does not need to go chasing after them.

Also Vishnu has four arms. One holds a conch (which can be seen as a symbol of the sound Om), one holds a discus, a deadly weapon, by which he destroys evil and protects good (this is akin to the razor's edge of discrimination, which is described in kaivalyopanishad, all our negative qualities are destroyed and our positive qualities protected by discriminative living) which also symbolises the destruction of false ego sense. The third hand holds a mace, which is a heavy club-like weapon, it symbolises the power of knowledge. The fourht holds a lotus, a symbol of purity, beauty, harmony, creativity and enlightenment.

The name Vishnu means that which is all pervading.


The aspect of destruction is represented by Siva. The name Shiva means "auspiciousness" and "beauty". Shiva, the very symbol of beauty, is smeared in ashes, wears snakes around his neck and his heair is in dreadlocks. From his hair flow the holy Ganges. He has a third eye on his forehead, when opened the third eye destroys all creation. He lives like an ascetic, in the mountains, wearing just a deer skin, in deep meditation.

This part is pertinent to our discussion of God and toilets. You see, the very symbol of auspiciousness, is clad in all that is inauspicious, ashes from the funeral ground, blood, animal skins, etc. This explains that even in the most ugly, disgusting things, we must see only sivam, auspiciousness and the divinity underlying it. The Ganges are representative of knowledge. Shiva is also the first Guru. In this sense he is the Lord of destruction of ego and false values. Whole books have been written about the symbolism of the Ganges and Shiva.

The third eye represents the eye of knowledge in us all. When it is opened, this dualistic world of plurality is destroyed by the fire of knowledge and right vision.

Collectively this trinity have various levels of symbolism. They can be seen as the stages of a human's life. Brahma is symbolic of birth and young age, when time is spent in study and intellectual development. Vishnu is symbolic of the householder's life, where he is the provider and nourisher for the family, he protects them and takes care of them. Shiva is symbolic of the final stage of renunciation, once all family obligations are met, when man leaves the home and goes to live in sanyasa, meditate and strive to achieve realisation. For this reason, Shiva is also called Maheswara (the great Ishwara or God, brahman).

Many greater than me have written books and treatises on the symbolism couched in Hinduism. Each small aspect of a deity, Vishnu's hands, Shivas throat, etc contain so many hidden secrets. It is indeed interesting and wonderful. The important thing, though, is to remember to live what you learn from them. I hope I answered your question satisfactorily.

Om tat sat.

 

Firstly:
Sebbi, you do make a point and I could ofcourse stop doing that here.


Secondly: Indeed it is confirmed by history that man has sence the beginning thought of Allah(may he be exalted) as being above his creation, the egyptians and the building of the pyramids, the maya, aztek and inka indians, people through the ages has sence born inclined to existance of a Creator and that he exist in/above the sky.

Claiming that the Lord is everywhere means that he is in every toilet and in the behind of every filthy dog, may he be exalted from such claims.
By logic, the Creator can not be within his creation, did he create the universe from inside himself or from the outside?
Those christians and jews (I am of the view that any person who calls him self a muslim and claims the his Lord is everywhere has disbelieved and cannot be called muslim) that say this are thus making it legal for the hindu or any other pagan to worship an idol by him claiming that Allah(may he be exalted) is everywhere.

Thirdly: It was very stupid of me Bhaskar to call parts of buddhism disgusting and I regret that even though I think it is repulsive I see no benefit in writing that down.

Fourthly: I could write an essay on why I hate hindu worship but it would only provoke people and like I haven't managed to do that already.

Finally: I did not come here to make people angrybut I was wondering one thing which I have no understod even though it wasn't satisfying then Sebbi claimed that no buddhist worshipped buddha then this whole thing started, when you love a book and read it all the time, while your home or outside and youve memorised more than 300 pages of it, it´s quite hard not to quote it all the time, some of my class mates find it annoying that I keep reciting it when ever we have an argument of some sort.

 

Hatred only consumes the hater.

 

Cab I don't think you should apologize for quoting the Qur'an, or expressing your feelings toward a religion. However, I agree with Bhaksar that Hatred only consumes the hater, and therefore its good that you ask any question/provoke a discussion regarding something you don't understand or don't agree with, rather than bottling up your feelings.

"Know thus, O good man: `not easy to control are evil things'. Let not greed and hate drag you to suffering for a long period."
-Dhammapada (v. 248)


In love,

Diana