Evolution Validates My Belief In God.

Speaking of the Dali Lama, someone recently sent me this....thumbnail photo of it....





Also, why not believe in both? As someone so eloquently stated on this forum once or tiwce....where did God come from...who created him?

I saw this last night and how about this theory? The aliens left the bible here as codes and trying to keep the new breed of humans in order? if the bible is so open to interpretation anyway? Why is it not made clear?

Anyway....this show and episode is fascinating....The more things to consider, the more you open your mind, imo....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbW67ocE9t4

 

One might quibble that it's still not clear the "evidence" is evidence. Chary, for example, thinks there's a 30% chance the "mysterious glow" he observed is within the bounds of normal activity, and there are so many other kinds of potential explanations for the phenomenon that it might be evidence of something else.

 

but isn't that looking at it from the rather limited, both in time frame and perceptual ability, human perspective?
when talking about the time spans in evolution, thousands of generations isn't out of line with being efficient and concise.
but let me elaborate, nature always strives for equilibrium and always chooses the path of least resistance to achieve those ends and in that sense it is very efficient and concise.

 

What other perspective than human perspective do we have to go on?

 

and by a species going extinct it is progressing along the lines I mentioned, to keep pace with a changing environment. In that sense, whenever there are environmental changes it means some things will not be able to adapt and will become extinct.
the problem arises whenever we apply human concepts of "good" or "bad" to a phenomena and then we begin to make judgement calls regarding it's "goodness" and if deemed "bad", such as animals eating each other, then of course it means that;
A) God doesn't exist
B) God is an evil malevolent being



Thus far the only thing I can be relatively certain about is my own experience, so in that light, sure it could all be some elaborate computer simulation.
what i notice though is that whenever something like this is pointed out, you as well as others seem to think it bolsters your position and weakens the other, but in reality such things are neutral because, as you pointed out, evolution does not negate a creator, nor does it prove one, so we are both back at square one with "I don't know".

 

I would ask why wouldn't anyone want to believe in multi universes? isn't just believing in our own universe kind of one dimensional...sort of like the earth is flat belief people had at one time? Multi universes opens the doors for all kinds of possibilities including multi dimensions.....and isn't it comforting to know that the possibilities are endless?

 

why do you need multiple universes to have endless possibilities????

kinda short sighted, don't ya think?

 

no, not at all.....think about it.

 

The concepts of evolution, God(s) and multiverse(s) do not (have to) clash or oppose eachother. I don't see how it is inevitable that one disproves the other.

 

Why would you want to hand over your own power as a life force, though, to something that may or may not be?

 

Probably because they believe or have faith in that it is good.

I don't know what you're talking about for myself though. Like one can't believe in god(s) without handing over power. If nonbelievers see that as something inevitable no wonder they lack so much understanding and become antitheists

 

There are a few different multiverse theories, some sound just flat out stupid to me such as the many worlds version, where supposedly any and every event that occurs to you plays out with a different branching outcome to "you" in another universe.

These multiverse theories with universes growing out of each other and what not are a bit more intuitively tolerable but there is so much undiscovered about our universe. Attempting to understand other universes on top of ours, seems like an insurmountable challenge which I think could strain both science and religion.

So I'm not particularly keen on multiverse theories myself, But if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.

 

So you are first to throw insult? is that good?...when you have no understanding of what i am saying?
I do believe in good....It is in me....I look for it constantly in others? Why do i have to believe in an imaginary being to find it....that is equalled to believing in a Santa Claus, isn't it?

 

That is just it....why have to have complete understanding of other universes, anyway? they may not operate with the same mathematical laws as ours....so what?
Isn't there beauty in the enigmatic?

 

Unfortunately, a lot of organized religions do want to take away power from the individual. They want people to conform to their idea of the way to be, what to think, and what is to be done or not done.

Many people fall prey to such organizations. But I think one can have spiritual beliefs and practices which actually serve to liberate rather than to imprison. I think spirituality can be empowering, rather than taking away power. And actually, we don't have that much real power to begin with.

 

Because it might be?

 

I frequent this particular forum primarily because I find beauty in knowledge.

I suppose there is no harm if we're still able to address some of the unknowns, problems and issues we have in this universe with the same rigor, It seems to me metaphysics would need a significant restructuring though and I do not know what that means for other concepts.

 

I think it's a dumb idea, too. Do people who espouse it really think about what they're saying? I wonder. Because I could look in so many different directions right now. I could move my head in an infinite number of directions and speeds and times and my eyeballs in my head in an infinite number of opposite directions, and this is all supposed to be literally happening? I think such a universe would become so redundant it wouldn't even be worth thinking about. It doesn't even seem like you'd be technically the same person as all of these other different people. And are they saying that an infinite number of people will always live my exact same life up until every single moment and then an infinite numbers of me will branch out and live completely different lives, but also an infinite number of me will continue to be exactly like me until the very next moment when an infinite number of me will branch out again? I don't see how people can think that at any given moment there are just two things, one or the other, that can possibly occur. That my life splits based on choices I make between one or two things, when really I'm deciding on one thing out of an unlimited number of possibilities. Or at least a very large and unknown number of possibilities.

I digress. To me, if God is anything, God is love. I see no reason to believe in a designer who takes everything into account and then makes the best possible design. I think it would take some of the beauty out of nature to say these things, like supernovas and reindeer, aren't phenomena of their own accord. To say they are just nice illusions created for us by some God makes them empty in my eyes. Because then everything is just a trick of God, a little puppet show for us peasants. I think it's feasible, though, that collectively, the entire universe could be universally agreed upon to be awesome. Just like you'd have to be a complete dick to really loathe black holes or what have you. No such dickery exists.

 

neon, what you just said in your first paragraph is just one theory of what multi universes could actually mean.....I believe there is only one of me or you, etc.......multi universes have nothing to do with who you or I are....they are universes onto themelves......the pigs that got slaughtered here may wind up in one of them for the next life only to have a beautiful lives, for instance....now that is bringing universal karma into it, another theory.