Everything doesn't make any sense.

Good point. I guess it wouldn't matter. Also, sometimes my sense of humor doesn't translate well.

All I can say is good. It would sort of disprove my beliefs if everyone agreed. The diversity is much nicer.

 

Yep, that's it.

 

not really. we're just not capable of communicating truth.

we can see it when we shut up and look, and aren't being obscured by someone else refusing to.

but when we try to say it, so we can try to compare if we're seeing the same, it just doesn't work, because words just aren't capable of it.

i mean yah, that part about judgement is right, because you can't see truth by trying to judge it either.

but its there. all you have to do is NOT try to judge it, or say it. just look at it as it is, for what it is and there it is.

of course because we can't say it because words can't contain it, there's no way i can prove that what each of us are seeing is really the same thing, but everyone who stubbs their toe in the dark, it is the same stubbing of the toe, whatever we tell ourselves or don't.

 

it is not truth which holds one captive,but the fear of its... realization.

 

Truth is about alienation. The garden of Eden idea flops that way because the locality is supposed to be everywhere at anywhere. After that we see rocks at the same unusual conflict with ferns and bushes, never repeated in the same pattern.

 

"Nothing is true, everything is permitted" :biggrin:

 

the world is one big garden.the sky is it's roof and the grass is it's carpet.lets all eat apples.

 

That way of thinking will never gets us in the cosmos! If only we all would think the roof is not there and no one benefits by being satisfied with eating apples

 

to look is a previlige.to see is a gift.

 

yes they are . delivered as music they are transcendent . it is
our humanity to play with time , and no composer shall dictate how
to do this ... only when , as in tomorrow afternoon sometime .

thou shall not ... means failure is immediate and certain .

and who is free to sing out of tune ? ringo starr

in music , the everything is a verb like as the sound
of the ocean . stand there and ask the seagull to scream
against it . it will , and with a mind to exactly the right
moment , a perfect place , and all for the comfort of
your mind because life is so kind .

 

I agree with tikoo. Music can express it and poetry, but only because they invite us into an experience. The words and notes become part of creation always changing, growing, becoming and dying.

 

an interesting thought, if you can think in terms of everything being about how it affects our feelings. i'm sorry but i'm not someone who does. or even finds them the more interesting part of existence.

the only reason anything ever "doesn't make sense" is because of people trying to tell each other what sense to make of it.

and yes, sometime, often even, even in music.

there is another kind of 'music' though. music not made up by sapient intention, but the ad hoc and de jure, incidental music of natural sounds, those made by weather, natural creatures going about their own interests and lives, and even the unplanned sounds of machinery.

this latter IS MUCH closer to what and how i perceive as "truth".

 

... and you of the natural mind , steadfast , in motion and wild . you
may receive the blessing and participate without imposing .

 

Is there an ideological reason that something doesn't make sense? I believed from way back that ideology was the determination of the Ego. The ego determines the perception of distinct people within humanity. What makes sense to me must make sense to the other, and what makes sense to the other must make sense to me. It is illusion to need the solution in each one of us and not in the lord, in all then, but basically for the truth.

 

"Everything doesn't make sense."

so... Nothing makes sense?
If you can find sense in nothing then you should be able to find some sense in something. Since nothing is something too.. IMHO.

 

Yes, because we happen to be in an abstract environment. It's just what we're used to, so things seem ordinary. Really they are just abstract.

It seems as though there are things that make sense, but there's no way to say that something abstract wouldn't appear to make sense on the surface, because what is something abstract? What is the true nature of an abstraction, and might this not be it?

 

the true nature of abstraction is the natural flow of unplanned abstract.

 

But what is the nature of the unplanned abstract? It wouldn't even matter if it were planned -- it would still be abstract. But I express no opinion as to the existence or nonexistence of a God. I just don't find this universe to be very sensible. It's mostly odd shapes and misunderstandings.

 

The universe is mostly odd shapes and misunderstandings? I don't think the universe consists of minsunderstandings at all, it seems us humans who are full of it!