Esoteric, (Hidden,) Knowledge

Of those three things you mention quantifying and categorizing are necessary forms of distinction and qualifying is only relevant in terms of discovering purpose or desired aim. The qualifications good and bad are useless when apprehending phenomena they only reflect uninformed taste.

 

Is it knowledge if no one know it? I think it becomes knowledge upon interacting with conscious perception and analysis; until then it's just a tree falling and no one around to hear the sound.

 

I'm writing down that spell you gave me, thedope, if you don't mind

 

A clearly apprehended bit of information is easy to explain all it's feature apparent in every detail.

"Why aren't there more Magicians who are ruling the earth then, asks Writer? Because they were a threat, and were killed by the Church who turned it into an evil idea, and then turned into a fantasy idea by Science."

No, it is because no one rules the earth. It is ours to do with as we will. The schism exists because there aren't many who know what the will is and they are in contention.

 

I guess it remains in the Unmanifest if it's not known, but the potential is there for it to be knowledge. So perhaps whether it's knowledge or not depends on if it comes into manifestation or not.

 

Knowledge is being shared or shared being, which is not the same as the perception of such. The universe is made of information. it is every bit informed whereas we are relatively informed consistent with our purpose of tasting and knowing.

 

I gave to you, no indian giving here.

 

Manifestation is not required. Manifestation is the feast of man.

 

Magic is of itself nothing. The magicians tools aid in probative focus. A telescope would qualify as a magicians tool. Just putting that in there to dust off the impression that these are other worldy designs or fixtures or that they are distant from every day affairs.

 

Agreed. It's very practical but that doesn't mean that it doesn't work either. But I still am open to otherworldly knowledge whether it's via Extraterrestrials or something that is Supernatural. The Sephiroth, for example, or the Akashic Records, kind of blurs the line between regular knowledge and otherworldly knowledge. Though the Sephiroth and Tree of Life is really just a map to the internal psychic world. The 'ladder of selves' which can easily be linked to psychology. Which is why Jung was interested in Alchemy.

when you gave me the spell I accidentally wrote it down as i'amiamayamiamiam...I'm just going to keep it that way if you're cool with that.

 

But that line of thinking is not different than anything else. A knife is really nothing but a sharp object. It's how it is used that defines a great Chef, or a Seriel Killer. Magick is kind of like that. A spell or a magickal item becomes magickal because a Magician approaches it as such. Magick is all about the Magician. Just like Cooking is all about the Chef. You know the rubber hits the road with your final outcome. A shitty cook will have a mediocre outcome. An unskilled Magician or one who doesn't believe in it will also have a mediocre outcome. What's required is repetition, practice, skill, dedication. Just like anything else.

 

In regards to LSD, I find most of the esoteric knowledge revealed is in regards to states of being.

The perceptual flux of the senses, with the fragmentation of thought seems wholly unified as well as disparate throughout an LSD trip.

This allows a glimpse into a wide range of states ranging from and not limited to : the revelatory spiritual experience, the synesthetic, the insane, the surrealists. After a heavy trip, it feels as if my mind takes a reassessment of reality and relation to it.

 

All knowledge revealed is of shared state of being.

 

It's a start, on the esoteric spell I mean. Significantly it is a statement about you. As far as other worldy self can only be know by self otherwise we call it other.

 

So the real emphasis is not on the tools but in the magician. A magician has all substance at his disposal.

 

Some thing I would like to point out about a good teacher. His desire is to be no longer needed.

 

If Magick is all about the Magician, can it be done without the rituals and the objects of ritual?

 

It wouldn't really be a magical approach without some sort of ritual or ceremony in my opinion. In the same way that it wouldn't really be Science without using the Scientific Method.

It's not saying that it's ONLY about the Magician any more than it's saying that it's ONLY about the Chef. The Chef still needs his tools and ingredients, and the tools would be meaningless without him to prepare the meal. So they both need each other and would both be meaningless without each other, at least in regards to what's trying to be achieved.

But that's the classical style of Magick. A chaos magician would probably argue that no you don't need any tools or rituals to which a traditional ceremonial magician would respond, "well you're not really practicing magick then", to which the chaos magician would respond "yes, I am, I'm just creating my own rules about how to do it".

But I mean there's a difference between just talking about Magick and actually doing and practicing it and I think that's just where the rubber hits the road.

And I think that Magick deals with and maps out (Kabbalah Tree of Life) the internal world because of the understanding of how linked the internal and external worlds are.

 

Objects of ritual are points of concentration. The confusion comes when you think there is something magic about magic which is again why I make the distinction between the way we conceive of magic and miraculous nature. The pitfall of the magi is that he gets caught up in believing in the necessity of his tool, then it becomes a kind of idolatry. Mastery is to pick it up and lay it down at will.

 

I am interested in where the rubber meets the road Chinacat. Do you know what your True Purpose is?