End Compulsory Education

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Originally Posted by earthmother
The public school system will not improve in our lifetimes. Because it's becoming more and more militarized, and less and less friendly.
"I went to the same school as my father, and he said the teachers used to beat students there, but I came out bruise-free. So you could make a fairly convincing argument against this."

Militarized as in less freedoms, more police presence, more rules. Consolidation, consolidation, consolidation...


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Originally Posted by earthmother
Lock-downs, unannounced drug raids.
"Drugs aren't good for kids."

Funny thing, they SAY they never FIND any here... But I don't think MOST parents are too happy about their kids being LOCKED DOWN for no reason. That's basically being under arrest for no reason. And do you suppose that TERRORISM is good for kids? Because when they are locked down and the drug dogs come in, the kids are NOT even allowed to call home. It SCARES a lot of them. Yes, send your kids to school to learn to be afraid of cops... You think this is all a good idea? Are you a Nazi? Perhaps to you it's a FINE thing to get our kids indoctrinated into thinking that a surveillance society is good for them...


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Originally Posted by earthmother
PAYING kids to get good grades and behave acceptably with play money they can spend at school, thereby promoting the love of money and stuff over honor and morals.
"If you're a pessimist. Or you could argue that it helps teaches them to be financially responsible."

In the REAL world, this only teaches kids that they need to be PAID to be good. Which is the OPPOSITE of what most thinking parents would wish their kids to learn. And the rotten kids will just find it's another valuable thing to STEAL from the others. Then again, there are a lot of POOR people who simply couldn't AFFORD to pay their kids to behave and be responsible, IN THE REAL WORLD. So this teaches a really MIXED message which cannot and should not be carried over into home life. Teaching kids to be financially responsible is a parents job. For example, try giving the kiddies their ration of school clothes money and let them shop for themselves. They'll soon discover just how money works and how little they can buy with it.

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Originally Posted by earthmother
Teachers are no longer allowed to "befriend" kids here. The master/slave concept is now the accepted norm.
"This is a generalization. I maintain communication with several of my highschool teachers. I like to drink beer with them."

No, it's not generalization. I said "HERE". It's in the rule books HERE. NO teachers are supposed to socialize in a friendly manner with the students. Why? Because too many kids were DRINKING BEER WITH THEM. A few years ago a teacher got FIRED for partying with students, and THAT is why they made this rule.

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Originally Posted by earthmother
To say nothing of the FORCED immunizations, government with their noses buried firmly up the parents butt. School is a very good way for the authorities to keep tabs on what's going on at home. Then you have the epidemics of sickness and headlice,
"Do you not see the illogic in mentioning both of these?"

No. The FORCED immunizations are NOT for colds and the flu. In fact they are not for anything that routinely goes around the school.

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Originally Posted by earthmother
the bullies, the long bus rides, and a system that does not care so much about actually TEACHING as they do about CONTROLLING. If I had it to do over again, my kids would not have had to spend ONE SINGLE DAY in that environment.

"Bullies and bus rides build character."

Not when the bus rides are an hour and a half ONE WAY every day. And Bullies tend to make people's lives HELL and keep them too upset to "learn". But perhaps you were one of them. (maybe you still are) That would explain your standing up for them...

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Originally Posted by earthmother
I guess the biggest education I got in school myself, and then with my kids in school, was that it's no place to send kids! People think they are depriving their kids by not sending them to school! I guess it never occurs to them that there is a whole lot more to life and learning out there besides THAT... I find most people are depriving their kids by SENDING them to public school. The biggest trouble is that the PARENTS were mostly all educated in PUBLIC SCHOOL and so they too are somewhat handicapped as far as being able to use their imagination...

"I think I live a full and rich life, and guess what - I went to public school. I had a good time there. I learned lots. It prepped me for university."

Groovy for you. MOST people have a hard time getting over the stuff they went thru in school. As you can see if you read this thread, the majority do not get along well in school. I was lucky enough to get out early. It took several years after that to grasp that I really WASN'T less of a human being than others. It took several years to get rid of the VICTIM mentality. I came out of school extremely shy, rebellious, and beaten down. It got better due to finally being able to sit back AWAY from all of that and discover who I really was. I got my act together simply because of MYSELF, not the school.

"University" does not impress me. I know far too many people who went to college and ended up doing nothing even remotely related to what they spent (wasted) all that time and money "learning". I find college is mostly a fantasy land and a good way to put off growing up and entering the real world for many people.

Oh, the tragedy.... But then you MUST realize that you are talking to a HIGH SCHOOL DROPOUT who lives in WEST VIRGINIA, so you COULD discount everything I say, because I must just be another inbred illiterate hillbilly.

 

I still disagree; then again, I went to a rural highschool. Maybe it is different in cities.

Meh. They regularly found drugs at my highschool.

*Argumentum ad Nazium
ie: Making Nazi comparisons makes me think you are full of rhetoric.

Explain to me how it is not the responsability of parents to teach their kids that they don't need to be paid to be good, but the job of the parents to teach them financial responsability.

Or at least consider alternative explanations; say a rash of shitty kids (video games, meth, poor parenting, whatever). This might be the only way to get them to read.

No teacher has ever gotten fired for having a few beers at a political event with a former student of legal drinking age.

No child in our school district takes an hour and a half on the bus, and we are as rural as they come (Northern BC, 300,000 people spread over an area the size of Texas).

And your little ad hominem logical fallacy is a fantasy. I wasn't a bully, and didn't get my kicks bullying people. At worst, you could say I didn't give a crap about including people. My belief stems more from the fact that, barring extreme cases, a little bit of bullying isn't going to kill you. It's something the spoiled little kids need to learn.

I enjoy learning for it's own sake. Who are you to judge my motivations?

What real world am I putting off? I work long hours all summer to pay for college because I enjoy learning, and enjoy not working. My parents don't pay for my learnin'.

Just because I think you're scapegoating schools for what is a societal problem doesn't I care whether you consider yourself a hillbilly.

 

man in the end it really don't matter. I'm a highschool dropout livin' in Hicksville Indy. Yet to me it's not how much you learn in school that makes you "smart" it's how much you learn in life. Think about it like this. If you took Albert Einstein an' set him out in the middle of a woods somewhere an' told him that he had to fend for himself an' find a way to live for the next year, he'd probly flip his lid. All that genius wouldn't matter at all cause they don't teach you how to survive like that in school. School is the high class societies way of keeping low class scum from rising to their level. Think about it

 

a)You're 18. Answer again from the end.

b)No, school is "low class scum" way of rising to the upper class.

But because everybody here is so anti-school, I'll leave you with a quote that might make you smile from a book I've been reading lately.

Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge?
Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?

T.S. Eliot, "The Rock"

 

Just skip everyday like I do

 

I DON'T consider myself a hillbilly because I'm not (hain't from around here...), altho I would be proud to be. Oh, there are plenty of societal problems indeed, everywhere, which is EXACTLY why the schools are so messed up. What school does is concentrate a bunch of societal problems all into one place. Who do you think runs those schools? God? Nope, just a bunch of screwed up humans. Who goes there? Screwed up humans. Why, because they are FORCED BY LAW. It's easy to "scapegoat" something that professes to be the main "educator" of the greatest majority of humans, forces all of those humans together in one place with all their messed up ways and expects everything to be just great without educating them as to HOW TO GET ALONG with each other and the world in general. And getting along does NOT include materialism.

Oh, by the way, if you wish to impress anyone with your college education, you should take the time to proof read your posts.

 

If you need to keep alive a surreal fantasy of concentration camp-like schools, feel free. I imagine it helps take away the responsability from you. It wasn't your fault you dropped out - it was the school system. It wasn't your parenting that caused your children to drop out - it was a school system. It wasn't a failure in your children - it was the school system.

At the same time, because I enjoyed highschool - I must be a bully. Or a Nazi.

I don't think you're a hillbilly. I just think you're a self-righteous old hen who, because school wasn't right for her, doesn't want to admit it is right for the vast majority of people.

At any rate, I'm done. I have marginally more productive things to do.

 

But you seem to have the mistaken idea that dropping out of school is somehow a negative or bad or wrong thing to do, and your post reflects that idea strongly. That's where our line of communication ends. I certainly take full responsibility for dropping out, of course, it's absolutely nothing to be ashamed of! It was one of the smartest moves I ever made. A life changing event.

Perhaps it's like everything else, all a matter of perception depending on where you are standing. How handy for you and your teachers and parents that you so easily fit into the mold.

Obviously, my kids were raised to realize that it would be OK and not the end of the world if they dropped out. (One actually continued on and got a business degree. Which she is USING by the way.) I equipped them with the ability to make their own decisions. Poor parenting never entered into the equation, just different perception.
Forcefully stuffing your head full of facts and figures at a young age just is not for some people! And yes, I would blame the school system for what happened all-told if I were into "blaming". But then again, that connotes the idea that quitting was somehow wrong and blame needs to be laid. So why place blame at all when you can simply move forward into more positive territory? I'm not going into all the reasons why we left the system, it would take all day, and I figure most folks here DO understand why someone might want to leave the current school system. Bottom line, everyone in THIS family is just fine thank you. No regrets.

I suspected you may have been a bully because you seem inclined in that direction now. It's an attitude thing. And because you seem to think it's just ok for kids to BE bullied...

School, right for the majority of people? It looks like the majority on this thread don't completely agree. Too many kids are victimized by the system and the other really rotten kids. Too many kids feel like it's hell for them and that they don't fit in. I want those kids to know that it's OK for them to feel like that, they are not alone, OR crazy, OR believing in fantasies, and that there are totally satisfactory alternatives. Your philosophy smacks too much of the nagging parent who refuses to understand or have an open enough mind to look at alternatives. Something that kids who DON'T "fit in" get too much of already.
It's just great that you are so happy with it all. I DON'T think you are in the majority tho. There are certainly enough disenfranchised kids around that it seems to me to be a serious problem which bears scrutiny. You should realize that no matter HOW glorious it all is for you, that is not the case for many, and there is not a DAMN thing wrong with them, no matter WHAT you think.

Self righteous? Well, if that's what you call being sure of yourself and your position, yea, why not, I'll bite ... But last time I checked, being sure of yourself was not considered a BAD thing.

 

Blah..
I don't think his whole train of thought is worth your energy, earthmother..But do as you please: )

 

Good discussion.

The value of education comes down to what you do with it. Sure, you play the game, you graduate, then you get the "opportunity" to become part of the system, pencil pushing for some corporation. That piece of paper tells everyone you know your shit. Or does it? I've met plenty of dumb asses with credentials, and plenty of genius's without.

If you're motivated, and you can learn how to express yourself effectively, and how to solve problems analytically, without a formal education, that's where it's at. The information is out there, and it's easy to find. With or without a teacher, we end up teaching ourselves, provided we wanna learn (and conversely we won't learn anything if we don't want to). Knowledge and education aren't necessarily synonymous.

 

I dropped outta highscool the day I turned 18. It makes me angry cause even tho' I explained to my friends why I did it alot of them still look at me like I'm a retard who isn't worth their time or trouble. I dropped out 'cause I was an' 18 yr old sophomore who just has a natural brain block to math. No matter how hard I tried I couldn't understand any form of math above 6th grade lv. How I even made it as far as I did in school is beyond my comprehension. Granted I haven't found anything to do with my life in the time since I've dropped out an' that is partially cause I'm lazy. But it's also cause there just ain't anything that interests me in modern society. I wish I was born back in before the medival times. Life would've been more to my suiting then. But.. I suppose that since I wasn't an' since there isn't a time machine that can take me back to then I'll just have to make the best of what I've got.

 

It sucks that people judge others based on that. But when you think about it, it's part of the brain washing. People use education to put other people down as a defense for their own insecurities.

 

Here's a little something from an article I found about the new anti-homeschooling agenda in California:

................take a look at the Court’s reasoning for public schooling...”California courts have held that … parents do not have a constitutional right to homeschool their children,” Justice H. Walter Croskey said in the 3-0 ruling issued on Feb. 28. “Parents have a legal duty to see to their children’s schooling under the provisions of these laws.” Parents can be criminally prosecuted for failing to comply, Croskey said. “A primary purpose of the educational system is to train school children in good citizenship, patriotism and loyalty to the state and the nation as a means of protecting the public welfare,” the judge wrote.................

 

Arg, this is fucking sick!

 

CALIFORNIA used to be viewed as a very LIBERAL, HIP, "FREE" and "ANYTHING GOES" STATE, which "TOLERATED" many belief systems, now it is being FORCED (by FASCIST "AGENTS OF PROVACTEUR") into a COMMUNIST "STATE"!!! Unless THE MEXICAN REVOLUTIONARIES "take-over" the SOUTHWEST U.S.A., declare it as the INDEPENDENT nation of "AZTLAN" (with LOS ANGELES, as its NEW CAPITAL CITY)!!!

While "checking out" the NEWS BLOGS on RENSE.COM (www.rense.com), I came up with TWO articles that are related to this thread of: "End Compulsory Education". "earthmother" just posted a "snipet" of information, from an article about "the new anti-schooling agenda in California:", which is similar to an article that I found on RENSE.COM. I also found another "disturbing" article, relating to moving CALIFORNIA'S EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM toward COMMUNISM!!! Here are "selected passages" from those two articles, that I found on RENSE.COM:

- WorldNetDaily Exclusive -

"Parents of 166,000 students could face criminal charges"
"'Breathtaking' decision on homeschooling now moving to California Supreme Court"

Posted: March 05, 2008
9:11 pm Eastern

By Bob Unruh
C 2008 WorldNetDaily

"A 'breathtaking' ruling from a California appeals court that could subject the parents of 166,000 students in the state to criminal sanctions will be taken to the state Supreme Court.

The announcement comes today from the Pacific Justice Institute, whose president, Brad Dacus, described the impact of the decision as "stunning".

"The scope of this decision by the appellate court is breathtaking," he said. "It not only attacks homeschooling, but also calls into question through charter schools and teaching children at home via independent study through public and private school."

"If not reversed, the parents of the more than 166,000 students currently receiving an education at home will be subject to criminal sanctions," he said.

Justice H. Walt Croskey, whose opinion was joined by two other judges, then ordered: "Parents who fail to [comply with school enrollment laws] may be subject to a criminal complaint against them, found guilty of an infraction and subject to impositions of fines or an order to complete a parent education and counseling program."

It is under a section entitled "Consequences of Parental Denial of a LEGAL EDUCATION" that "parents are subject to being ordered to enroll their children in an appropiate school or EDUCATION PROGRAM and provide proof of enrollment to the court, and willful failure to comply with such an order may be punished by a fine for civil contempt."

"The future of homeschooling (both public and private) in California requires the reversal of this decision," Neven said.

"Specifically, the appeals court affirmed, the trial court had found that "keeping the children at home deprived them of situations where (1) they could interact with people outside of the family, (2) there are people who could provide help if something is amiss in the children's lives, and (3) they couild develope emotionally in a broader world than the parents' 'cloistered' setting."

"Further, the appeals ruling said, California law requires "persons between the ages of six and 18" to be in school, "the public full-time" day school," with exemptions only allowed for those in a "private full-time day school" or those "instructed by a tutor who holds a valid state teaching credential for the grade being taught."

"For homeschoolers in California, Hanson said, "there may be everywhere fom concern to panic, just based on not knowing what the [ultimate] results will be."

"The current case was brought by two attorneys who had been appointed by the state to represent the family's minor children in a dependency case stemming from accusations of abuse that resulted from the parents' decision to impose discipline on their children with spankings. The case had actually been closed out by the court as resolved when the lawyers filed their special appeal.

Phillip long has told WND he objects to the pro-homosexual, pro-bisexual, pro-transgender agenda of California's public schools, om which WND previously have reported.

"We just don't want them teaching our children," he told WND. "They teach things that are totally contrary to what we believe. They put questions in our children's minds we don't feel they're ready for.""

ARTICLE: "Parents of 166,000 could face criminal charges - 'Breathtaking' decision on homeschooling now moving to California Supreme Court", WorldNetDaily Exclusive, By Bob Unruh, Posted: March 05, 2008, 9:11 pm Eastern, C 2008 WorldNetDaily
LINK: www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=58137

My sister home-schooled (and is still home-schooling) all FIVE of her children, as she wanted them to learn traditional BAPTIST VALUES!!! They're all VERY INTELLIGENT and turned out all right, but I DO REALIZE that NOT ALL HOMESCHOOLING SITUATIONS are IDEAL, but then neither are PUBLIC and/or PRIVATE SCHOOL SYSTEMS IDEAL!!! SCHOOL SHOOTINGS??? COLUMBINE???

"Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963"

"The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals"

[From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen]

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to forment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting poronography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

ARTICLE: "The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals", From Greg Swank, 12-4-2
LINK: www.rense.com/general32/americ.htm

Do ANY or ALL of these "Communist Decalred Goals" sound familar, especially related to the previous "WorldNetDaily" article??? Or the following articles that I'm posting???

- YURI BEZMENOV -"ex-KGB AGENT" - "SOVIET BRAINWASHING" -

ARTICLE: "Yuri Bezmenov on demoralization", "Interview with Yuri bezmenov (ex-KGB), by Edward Griffen - 1984, "Transcript:"
LINK: www.crossroad.to/Quotes/brainwashing/2007/bezmenov.htm

"veoh" VIDEO: "Edward Griffin - Soviet Subversion of the Free Press - An Interview with ex-KGB Agent Yuri Bezmenov (1984)
LINK: www.veoh.com/videos/v389543cFf44FZC

- WorldNetDaily Exclusive -

"CALIFORNIA SCHEMIN'"
"Next on school agenda:
Teaching Communism
Family advocate; 'Just when we thought
indoctrination couldn't get worse"

Posted: March 04, 2008
10:47 pm Eastern

By Bob Unruh
C 2008 WorlNetDaily

"A new plan by a California lawmaker would allow schools to be used to promote the overthrow of the U.S. government, and let teachers in public district classrooms "inculate in the mind of any pupil a preference for communism," according to a traditional values advocacy organization.

"Just when we thought that the indocrination in California's public schols couldn't get any worse, state lawmakers introduce bills that will further brainwash innocent children," said a statement from Capital Resource Institute, a traditional values and family advocacy organization based in California.

"We're in California. Of course it has a chance of succeeding," CRI spokeswoman Karen England told WND. "These people get bolder and bolder every year."

"This bill would actually allow the promotion of communism in public schools," CRI said.

"This bill would also strike the law that a public school or community college employee may be fired if he or she is a member of the Communist Party," the group said.

"Worse yet, the group said, "the bill would also strike the law that prohibits the teacher giving instructions in a school or on public school property from teaching communism with the intent to indoctrinate or to inculate in the mind of any pupil a preference for communism," CRI said.

"SB 1322 is simply shocking,' said Meredith Turney, legislative liason for the affiliated Capital Resource Family Impact. "The socialist members of this legislature are now advocating that communism, one of the most brutal forms of government in history, be taught favorably to government school students. Anyone espousing communism, which does advocate for the violent overthrow of existing government, will be permitted to not only use government property, but work in schools and colleges, and teach their freedom-hating propaganda to impressionable young people."

"Less than 20 years after the fall of the communist Soviet Union, California lawmakers are eager to once again begin advancing a political ideology responsible for the deaths of millions of inocent people," England said. "Instead of promoting communism in our schools, lawmakers should be focused on actually teaching students to read, write and think for themselves."

ARTICLE: "CALIFORNIA SCHEMIN" - Next on school agenda: Teaching communism - Family advocate: 'Just when we thought indoctrination couldn't get worse', WorldNetDaily Exclusive, By Bob Unruh, Posted: March 04, 2008, 10:47 pm Eastern, C 2008 WorldNetDaily
LINK: www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=58061

Why do "SHEEPLE" let the COMMUNISTS run all over them??? They'll try to get away with as much as they can, until SERIOUSLY CONFRONTED, or TOTALLY IGNORED!!! Let's bring back JOE McCARTHY (i.e. "McCARTHYISM") and NOT JOE STALIN ("COMMUNISM")!!! Sure they can TEACH COMMUNISM, but then after being taught COMMUNISM, then they SHOULD be "DEPORTED" to a REAL COMMUNIST COUNTRY to LIVE IN and NOT OUR COUNTRY!!!

LET FREEDOM RING!!!

Love, peace and understanding . . .

 

Lawmakers have a way of inventing laws because of ASSUMPTIONS. They also tend to be some of the most ignorant of human nature, and uneducated as far as the things they are passing laws about. Some days I doubt they are human at all. Perhaps it's like in the si-fi movies. Implants from a destructive alien race that have all been activated all at once to produce total destruction on humanity...

If I lived in California at this point and had kids in school, I'd leave the state. OR figure out a way to "hide" the kids... People CAN NOT allow themselves to be bullied by something so obviously wrong. I'm starting to believe that certain evil and insane people were hired to brainstorm and make a list of everything they could think of to aggrivate the citizens of this country, and now these ideas are ALL being implemented at the same time. Think about it.

Why? To drive us all crazy? To see how much we will take? To keep us thoroughly confused? To cause a revolt? I think we are all being victimized by those darned ASSUMPTIONS again. I think they assume we are all too stupid or zombie-fide to do anything about this. I hope they are as wrong in that assumption as they are in the rest... Fools.

 

Concerning the recent "anti-homeschooling" legislation in the state of CALIFORNIA, I actually have some GOOD (or at least BETTER) NEWS on this situation, from the GOVERNOR of CALIFORNIA - ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER - "The Terminator"!!! "I'll be back!!" Check out this "more CHEERFUL" article (selected passages):

- WorldNetDaily Exclusive -

"Gov. Arnold blasts homeschooling rule
"Parents shouldn't be penalized for acting in the best interests of children's education'

Posted: March 07, 2008
9:47 pm Eastern

By Bob Unruh
C 2008 WorldNetDaily

"California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger today blasted a court ruling that endangered homeschooling and homeschoolers statewide.

"Every California child deserves a quality education and parents should have the right to decide what's best for their children," the governor said in a prepared statement. "Parents shoud not be penalized for acting in the best interests of their children's education."

The comments came after a state appellate court ruling essentially concluded California state law allows no option for parents to school their children at home. Homeschool and legal experts have expressed concern that the move puts all of the parents of the estimated 166,000 homeschool children in the state at risk of both criminal and civil penalties.

"This outrageous ruling must be overturned by the courts and if the courts don't protect parents' rights then, as elected officials, we will," he said.

"The governor's office said that the ruling from the 2nd District Court of Appeal in Los Angeles concluded "all children ages 6 to 18 must atend public or private school full-time until graduation from high school or be tutored at home by a credentialed teacher."

"The parent-child relationship existed long before any governement and makes it a responsibility of the parent to educate the child," Long told California reporters today. He said that the responsibilty includes issues such as protecting children from things that are hazardous "emotionally" as well as physically.

But the court has concluded that the state law doesn't allow children to be taught by their parents in their homes, a result is achieved by many families by having the parents register as a private school, which exempts from the requirement of have credentialed faculty.

WND earlier reported Brad Dacus, chief of the Pacific Justice Institute, is planning an appeal to the state Supreme Court on behalf of the school in which the Long children have enrolled.

He said that his concern is that the ruling might be used by "overzealous" school district officials and social workers to try to remove a child from the family.

"We are hoping that enough common sense prevails for everyone to want and see how this plays out before the state Supreme Court," he said. But in California, such apellate level rulings are binding on lower courts when they are issued, he said."

The Los Angeles court granted a special petition brought by lawyers appointed to represent the two youngest children after the family's homeschooling was brought to the attention of child advocates. The lawyers appointed to the state were unhappy with a lower court's ruling that allowed the family to continue homeschooling and challenge it on appeal.

"The question [now] is it's going to be enforced," said Dacus. He said criminal infractions could involve fines or community service, and civil penalties could involve parental counseling.

But he said the California legislature has adopted "education neglect" rules that could be used "as grounds for the removal of a child from a family." Such cases usually are handled in juvenile court and by social services agencies."

"We are advising our homeschoolers to continue, but to keep both eyes open,' he told WND.

This is an all-out assault on the family," Dobson continued, "and it must be met with a concerted effort to defend parents and their children.""

ARTICLE: "Gov. Arnold blasts homeschool ruling - "Parents shouldn't be penalized for acting in the best interests of children's education', WorldNetDaily Exclusive, By Bob Unruh, Posted: March 07, 2008, 9:47 pm Eastern, C 2008 WorldNetDaily
LINK: www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=58298

Hip, hip. HORRAY, for "THE TERMINATOR"!!! "He'll BE BACK!!!"

If you've studied COMMUNISM, you should know that they do not really believe in the concept of "THE FAMILY" UNIT, as EVERYONE IS "OWNED" by "THE STATE"!!! CHILDREN are just "PROPERTY OF THE STATE", to do as they please, as they are "FALSE GODS"!!! The COMMUNISTS (and ILLUMINTI) have the GOAL to "break-up" THE FAMILY!!! THEY (i.e. "THE STATE") must RULE SUPREME, or so they BELIEVE and PREACH!!!!

DON'T TRUST "SOCIAL SERVICES", as they have been "infiltrated" with many SATANISTS, who just try to take away children for SATANIC RITUALS and/or to be used as ILLUMINATI SEX SLAVES (like: CATHY O'BRIEN, SUE FORD and ARIZONA WILDER were, who wrote their own books, give LECTURES, and have many VIDEOS out)!!! CHECK OUT the book: "THE FRANKLIN COVER-UP", By John W. DeCamp (former NEBRASKA STATE SENATOR)!!! Some "DAY CARE CENTERS" have also been INFILTRATED with SATANISTS, or ILLUMINATI AGENTS!!! BEWARE!!! There is MUCH DOCUMENATION (AND ACTUAL "COURT CASES") TO PROVE this!!!

There was a case in DENVER, COLORADO (which is a MAJOR SANTANIC CENTER), with ANTON LaVEY"S "CHURCH OF SATAN" located just south of DENVER, in SEDALIA, COLORADO, of which you can find a picture of, on the internet, which involved an AIRPLANE MECHANIC who "witnessed" a plane load of children (taken by DENVER SOCIAL SERVICES) to be used in SANTANIC RITUALS and/or as ILLUMINATI "SEX SLAVES" and/or "SLEEPER AGENTS"!!! Of course, that AIRPLANE MECHANIC just "DISAPPEARED"!!!

Let's not forget JON BENET RAMSEY'S "SANTANIC" killing in BOULDER, COLORADO, near CHRISTMAS time!!! Did you know that the ILLUMINATI's name for SATAN is "JON BET"??? Sounds too close to "JON BENET", doesn't it??? NOT a COINCIDENCE!!! How about that "MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE" killer at COLUMBINE HIGH SCHOOL in LITTLETON, COLORADO!! All close to DENVER, CO. Plus, that "WEIRD" DENVER INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, with NWO, OCCULT and FREEMANSONIC "symbology"!!! There are also rumors of DENVER, CO becoming our new NATION'S (NWO) CAPITAL CITY!!!

All of this information is on many, many WEBSITES, BOOKS and VIDEOS, but not ALL PEOPLE know of this, although many do!!! How many people study: SATANISM, how INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES work and principles on MIND CONTROL??? You should, TO PROTECT YOURSELF and YOUR LOVE ONES!!! There are TONS of INFORMATION on these SUBJECTS!!! MISSING CHILDREN are also used for HORRIBLE "TOP SECRET" GENETIC EXPERIMENTS (like in 40's NAZI GERMANY, as HUMAN "GUIENA PIGS") and other EXPERIMENTS in MIND CONTROL and TIME TRAVEL!!!

If those stupid COMMUNIST and SATANIC laws pass in CALIFORNIA, then the PEOPLE of CALIFORNIA should assault a MASSIVE CAMPAIGN to UNCOVER all of THE COMMUNIST INFILTRATORS in the CALIFORNIA STATE GOVERNMENT and THE SATANIST INFILTRATORS in the HUMAN SOCIAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT!!! Remember, ANTON LaVEY's "CHURCH OF SATAN" was started in SAN FRANCISCO, CA, and the "infamous" "BOHEMIAN GROVE" (which is a SATANIC CAMPGROUND of many FAMOUS POLITICIANS and MEDIA PEOPLE, of which Richard M. Nixon called: "A FAGGY AFFAIR!" and is located by THE RUSSIAN RIVER, not too far from SAN FRANCISCO, CA)!!!

Even though this information is ALL OVER THE INTERNET, it is still somewhat "DANGEROUS" and CAUTION SHOULD BE USED, when discussing it!!! There are THOUSANDS of INTERNET FORUMS that DO discuss these things. ALEX JONES' videotaped "BOHEMIAN GROVE" and even SELLS this video, on his websites: www.prisonplanet.com and www.infowars.com . TED GUNDERSON (Ex-FBI and GAY SATANIST from SAN FRANCISCO, CA) has information about BOHEMIAN GROVE and CHILD SEX and SATANIC RINGS. He sells an "ATF" DVD of AN ACTUAL SANTANIC RITUAL!!! Let us not forget CHILD PORN "SNUFF" films!!! SCAREY STUFF!!! PROTECT YOUR KIDS FROM THESE PEOPLE!!!

There is an UNUSUAL WEBSITE from NEW ZEALAND (called: "DESTENI-UNIVERSE"), of a girl (ANDREA?) who acts as an "INTER-DIMENSIONAL PORTAL" (CHANNEL?) for "DIMENSIONAL BEINGS" (including DECEASED HUMAN ENTITIES), at: http://desteni.co.za/ , which concentrates on the PLIGHT of MISSING and ABUSED CHILDREN, and EMPHASIZING that US HUMANS, should TAKE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR OUR ACTIONS AT EVERY SINGLE "MOMENT" IN TIME and act as "WHO WE REALLY ARE" (which is an INFINTE-DIMENSIONAL BEING, all CONNECTED AS ONE)!!! But we are "IMPRISONNED" in "THE MATRIX" of ANU'S DESIGN and/or our OWN DOING!!!

On DESTENI's WEBSITE: check out the DEEPLY DISTURBING "YouTube" VIDEO on MISSING CHILDREN, entitled: "And The Unified Field is based on the THOUGHTS OF PEOPLE" (with a picture of the planet EARTH and its MAGNETIC FIELD). It's an "EYE -OPENER"!!! Their CONCLUSIONS is that 65% of MISSING CHILDREN DIE (from SEXUAL ABUSE) and the other 35% LIVING ONES are just HORRIBLY ABUSED and "EXPERIMENTED" on (like HUMAN "GUINEA PIGS") in many ways!!!

If you viewed the "1984 video interview" with ex-KGB agent "Yuri Bezmenov" and/or read the partial "transcript" of that video (LINKED on my last POST on this THREAD), then you know about the high percentage of COMMUNIST INFILTRATORS in our country!!! This information is coming "out of the horse's mouth", i.e. real ex-KGB!!! The actual PERCENTAGE of SANTANIC ACTIVITY with "child sacrifices" is WAY LESS than the number of COMMUNIST INFILTRATORS, but it is still higher than most people suspect!!!

IF there is only 166,000 HOMESCHOOLERS in the WHOLE state of CALIFORNIA, then what's the BIG DEAL??? The population of CALIFORNIA is like 36,457,549 people (2006 estimate - U.S. CENSUS BEREAU), so 166,000 is an EXTREMELY SMALL PERCENTAGE!!! Are "OUR CONTROLLERS" that "OBSSESSED" with POWER and CONTROL, to the "Nth DEGREE"??? THE MAYAN CALENDER predicts a CHANGE from a PERIOD of "POWER and CONTROL" CONSCIOUSNESS to a NEW PERIOD of "ETHNICS CONSCIOUSNESS", anyway!!!

Most PARENTS like their children to go to PUBLIC and/or PRIVATE SCHOOLS, as its gives them a nice "REST PERIOD" away from their children, making the PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM, sort of like an EDUCATIONAL "BABYSITTER". Plus, some parents may just be TOO LAZY, or TOO STUPID to HOMESCHOOL their own kids!!!

This CALIFORNIA "anti-homeschooling" and "promoting COMMUNISM in Public Schools" affair, just "smells" with COMMUNISTS and SATANISTS, but this idea is just for ANOTHER THREAD, that I really don't want to get into, at this time!!! I know of it, but RESEARCH ON YOUR OWN, TO PROTECT YOUR KIDS!!! KNOWLEDGE is POWER!!!

I hope that "THE TERMINATOR" (CALIFORNIA GOV.- Arnold Schwarzeneeger) "terminates" those CALIFORNIA LEGISLATORS that keeping attacking our FREEDOMS!!!

Peace, love and understanding . . .

 

Although I do believe in compulsory education, I think it should finish earlier (say 16 rather than 18). Working on an average life expectancy of 72 , leaving school at 18, that's 1/4 of your life you'll never get back. It's the fault of society that people need to be forced into a school scenario to make early friends, but it is the case.

Another reason I dislike the education system, is that we get fed unbelievable amount of bullshit. We've been told that cannabis is highly addictive (when all we get on alcohol is don't drink too much) that Animal Rights Activists used nail bombs with HIV positive blood inside them on families of researchers (which no news source, not even the ones who love to leap on those sorts of stories) has ever mentioned such devices being used by anyone. We've also been told conflicting things about different types of contraception, for example, the morning after pill can only be used 3 times. A statement which we were taught, and then told was bollocks by a Biology teacher.

 

Now that's frightening. Homeschooling your kids should be a constitutional right. Then again, the constitution doesn't mean anything these days...

I took my daughter for a hike today in the woods. That's education, right? She blows the lid off of the standards at school 'cause she likes to read, and she's damned good at it. The teachers love her, except she's difficult. She questions everything and she tests the limits. Like her brother. Like her parents.

 

- NEW ORDER OF BARBARIANS -

"Editorial Note: This is a transcript of the first three tapes on the "New Order of Barbarians, referred to on the tapes as simply as the "new world system." Tapes one and two , done in 1988, are the reminiscences By Dr. Lawrence Dunegan, of a speech given March 20, 1969 by Dr. Richard Day, an insider of the "order", whose credentials are given in an interview with Dr. Dunegan on tape three."

"The moderator in the final taped interview with Dr. Dunegan is Randy Engel, National Director , US Coalition for Life. It's interesting to note that Dr. Dunegan "spilled the beans" in 1988. According to the bio informatiion, Dr. Day died shortly thereafter, in 1989. It could be a coincidence since Dr. Day was elderly when he died, then again...."

"Most of you reading this are very well aware, already, of many of the details involved in the diabolical plan to bring about a New World Order. As much as we all know, haering about the "HOW" from the words of an insider is spine chilling. I believe these tapes COULD change many lives and awaken more people to the REALITY of what lies ahead if we don't stop the process. There are many more millions of US that there are the planners. The usefull idiots - their words, not ours - who are helping the process along know NOT what they do. If they DID know, they would stop, because they would KNOW that they, will be either terminated or become part of a GLOBAL SLAVE CAMP."

"EDUCATION AS A TOOL FOR ACCELERATING
THE ONSET OF PUBERTY AND EVOLUTION"

"Somewhere along here there was also something about accelerating the onset of puberty. And this was said in connection with health, and later in connection with education. and connecting to accelerating the process of evolutionary change. There was a statement that "we think that we can push evolution faster and in the direction that we want it to go. " I remember thias as only a general statement. I don't recall if any details were given beyond that."

"RESTRUCTURING EDUCATION AS A TOOL OF INDOCTRINATION"

"Another area of discussion was education. And one of the things; in connection with education.that remember connecting with what he said about religion was in addition to changing the Bible he said that the classics in literature would be changed. I seem to recall Mark Twain's writings was given as one example. But he said that the casual reader reading a revised version of a classic would never even suspect that there was any change. And, somebody would have to go through word by word to recognize that any change was made in these classics, the changes would be so subtle. But the changes would be such as to promote the acceptability of the new system."

"Education: Don't Learn Too Much! INFORMATION IS TERRORISM. A Message From The Ministry of Homeland Security."

"MORE TIME IN SCHOOLS, BUT THEY "WOULDN'T LEARN ANYTHING"

"As regards education, he indicated that kids would spend more time in schools, but in many schools they wouldn't learn anything. They'll learn some things, but not as much as formely. Better schools in better areas with better people - their kids will learn more. In the better schools learning would be accelerated. And this is another time when he said, "We think we can push evolution." By pushing kids to learn more he seemed to be suggesting that their brains would evolve .. sort of pushing evolution .. where kids would learn and be more intelligent at a younger age. As if this pushing would alter their physiology."

Overall, schooling would be prolonged. This meant prolonged through the school year. I'm not sure what he said about a long school day, I do remember that he said that school was planned to go all summer, that the summer school vacation would become a thing of the past. Not only for schools but for other reasons. People would begin to think of vacation times year round, not just in the summer. For most people it would take longer to complete their education. To get what originally had been in a Bachelor's program would now require advanced degrees and more schooling. So that a lot of school time would just be wasted time."

"Good schools would become more competitive. I inferred when he said that, he was including all schools - elementary up through college - but I don't recall whether he said that. Students would have to decide at a younger age what they want to study and get onto their track early, if they would qualify. It would be hard to change to another field of study once you get started."

"Studies would be concentrated in much greater depth, but narrowed. You wouldn't have access to materilas in other fields, outside your own area of study, without approval. This seem to be more .. where talked about limited access to other fields .. I seem to recall as being more at the college level, high school and college level, perhaps. People would be very specialized in their own area of expertise. But they wouldn't be able to get a broad education and won't be able to understand what is goiong on overall."

'Why Johnny Can't Read - The Dumbing Down Of America."

"CONTROLLING WHO HAS ACCESS TO INFORMATION"

"He was already talking about computers in education, and at the time said anybody who wanted computer access, or access to books that were not directly related to their field of study would have to have a good reason for so doing, Otherwise, access would be denied."

"SCHOOLS AS THE HUB OF THE COMMUNITY"

"Another angle was that the schools would become more important in people's overall life. Kids in addition to their acedemics would have to get into school activities unless they wanted to feel completetly out of it. But spontaneous activities among kids .. the thing that came to my mind when I heard this was - sandlot football and sandlot baseball teams that we worked up as kids growing up. I said any kids wanting activities outside of school would almost be forced to get them through the school. There would be few opportunities outside."

"Now the pressures of the accelarated academic program, the accelarated demands, where kids would feel they had to be part of something - one or another athletic club or some school activity - these pressures he recognized would cause some students to burn out. He said, "the smartest ones will learn to cope with pressures and to survive. There will be some help available to students in handling stress, but the unfit won't be able to make it. They will then move on to other things.""

"In this connection and later on in this connection with drug abuse and alcohol abuse he indicated that psychiatric services to help would be increased dramatically. In all the pushing for achievement, it was recognized that many people would need help, and the people worth keeping around would be able to accept and benefit from that help, and still be super achievers. Those who could not would fall by the wayside and therefore were sort of dispensable - "expendable" I guess is the word I want."

"Education would be lifelong. Adults would be going to school. There'll always be new infromation that adults would have to keep up. When you can't keep up any more, you're too old. This was another way letting older people that the time had come for them to move on and take the demise pill. If you got too tired to keep with your education, or you got too old to learn new information, then this was a signal - you begin to prepare to get ready to step aside."

""SOME BOOKS WOULD JUST DISAPPEAR FROM THE LIBRARIES..."

"In addition to revising the classics, which I alluded to awhile ago .. with revising the Bible, he said, "some books would just disappear from the libraries." This was in the vain that some books contain information or contain ideas that should not be kept around. And therefore, those books would disappear. I don't remember exactly how this was to be accomplished. But I seem to recall carrying away this idea that this would include thefts. That certain people would be designated to go to certain libraries and pick up certain books and just get rid of them. Not necessarily as a matter of policy - just simply steal it. Further down the line, not everbody would learn to own books. And some books nobody would be allowed to own."

ARTICLE: "NEW ORDER OF BARBARIANS", Speech BY: Dr. Richard Day (an insider of the "Order"), March 20, 1969, Transcribed By: Dr. Lawrence Dunegan
LINK: www.gnosticliberationfront.com/new_order_of_barbarians.htm
ARTICLE: "OUR FATE WAS KNOWN IN 1969" - RMN Readers Room - Posted By; Sandollar, Date: Wednesday, 12 March 2008, 11:40 am
LINK: www.rayelan.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=3678

"NEW ORDER OF BARBARIANS" sounds a lot like an old "THE TWILIGHT ZONE" TV EPISODE that I had just recently viewed on TV, entitled: "THE OBSOLETE MAN" (STARRING: Burgess Meredith), where Burgess Meredith plays a man, who is put before "THE STATE" (by TRIAL and JURY) and found to be "OBSOLETE" (i.e. NOT FUNCTIONAL and/or EFFICIENT enough to exist in society), especailly since his is a LIBRARIAN!!! He also possessed ILLEGALLY OWNED BOOKS, and kept a copy of THE HOLY BIBLE (BANNED BOOK) in his personal safe!!! He was sentenced to an EXECUTION of his choosing, which was to have a BOMB placed in his room to EXPLODE (plus have it TELEVISED for the world to see)!!! I won't REVEAL THE "TWIST" ENDING!!!

The book: "BRAVE NEW WORLD", By Aldous Huxley (1932 NOVEL) is also very similar to the concepts in "NEW ORDER OF BARBARIANS. Where; "Spending time alone and reading are considered outrageouis wastes of time. People are taught to associate in groups and consume entertainment. Also, the World State tries to stop its citizens from having thoughts that are different from the rest of Society."
ARTICLE: "Brave New Word", From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
LINK: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_New_World

ALL BRUTAL FORMS OF DICTATORSHIPS always CONTROL INFORMATION, by CONTROLLING EDUCATION, LIBRARIES and THE MEDIA!!! Many books are just BANNED, BURNED and/or just DESTROYED!!! The NAZI's did it, as well as THE COMMUNISTS and THE VATICAN!!!

"There is nothing new under the sun, but there are a lot of old things that we don't know." -- Ambrose Bierce

The worst changes are in SUBTLE FORM, just like "THE HOLY BIBLE" warns of the SUBTLE PERSUATIONS OF DECEIT from THE DEVIL (ALIEN REPTILIAN-HUMANOID?)!!! WATCH OUT FOR SUBTLE CHANGES, as they are THE MOST DANGEROUS, because they go UNNOTICED, and can CONTAMINATE, and therefore CHANGE THE MAIN MESSAGE of THE WHOLE IDEA (or INTENDED COMMUNICATION)!!! One BAD APPLE can SPOIL the REST!!! As the "NEW ORDER OF BARBARIANS" speech informs us, that important books in LITERATURE, even THE HOLY BIBLE itself, are being SUBTLELY CHANGED, by SOCIAL ENGINEERS, to make them FIT into THE NEW WORLD ORDER AGENDA!!!

"Westerners Do Not React To Slow Threats. Westerners tend not to react to slowly increasing things, but react to rapidly increasing things." - Retired ARMY LT. COLONEL Thomas E. Bearden - ("THE TOM BEARDEN" Website)
LINK: www.cheniere.org/images/weapons/reactsm.jpg

This CONCEPT is also known as "THE FROG IN HOT WATER". A frog is placed in a pan of COLD WATER, and then the water is slowly HEATED. At first the water seems comfortably warm, but then the water becomes TOO HOT and BOILS the FROG to DEATH!!!

Ever notice on TV NEWS that some NEW LAW and/or BILL is passed almost EVERYDAY, and people just don't seem to notice!!! That ADDS up after a while, to MANY and MANY NEW LAWS and/or BILLS!!! If a BRUTUAL REGIME quickly took over and PASSED THOUSANDS of LAWS and RULES ALL AT ONCE (i.e. RAPIDLY), then we'd NOTICE!!! TOO LATE, of course!!! We should just declare all LAWS and RULES "INVALID", and NOT FOLLOW any of them, until a SANE and RATIONAL GOVERNING SYSTEM is obtained!!! That would mess them up!!!

AMERICA'S "INFORMATION SYSTEM" is based upon a concept in PSYCHOLOGY, called: "COMPARTMENTALIZATION", which is ISOLATING GROUPINGS (i.e. SPECIFIC SUBJECTS) of INFORMATION (KNOWLEDGE) into seperate AREAS (i.e. COMPARTMENTS), so that people only know a small PUZZLE PIECE of "highly-specific" information, and not THE WHOLE PUZZLE (i.e. the WHOLE BROAD BASE of INFORMATION - HOLOGRAPHIC VIEW).

ONLY the TOP CONTROLERS are allowed to KNOW ALL OF THE PUZZLE, as they are at the "ILLUMINATED" top of THE PYRAMID (i.e. THE "EYE" OF THE PYRAMID -"EYE OF GOD")!!! This is ESPECIALLY TRUE with INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES!!! This is why the NSA is "nicknamed": "THE PUZZLE PALACE" (a book by: James Bamford)!!! SHATTERING the HUMAN MIND into various COMPARTMENTS (by TORTURE, into "MULTIPLE PERSONALITIES", or "ALTERS") is a very common form of BRAINWASHING!!!

RUSSIAN SCIENCES are usually WAY AHEAD of AMERICAN SCIENCES, because the RUSSIAN SCIENCE SYSTEM is based upon "COOPERATION", and NOT "COMPARTMENTALIZATION"!!! Also RUSSIAN SCIENTISTS discuss and publish "FAILURES", so that a TRUE SUCCESS in SCIENCE can be achieved!!!

"The reason the Russians have scooped the West in many recent scientific discoveries is not that they are supermen while we are mental midgets; instead it has to do with the way they organize their efforts in science and technology. This organization is totally different from that in the West and it's turning out to be far more efficient."

"There are more than 5,000 research centers an laboratories in Russia doing research and development of all kinds, and they are all linked together by various communictions -- not only within each scientific field, but between different fields."

"Here in America an elaborate and expensive scientific project may come very close to success but fall through because of a key missing ingredient. When that happens, very little is published about it; but in Russia, the researchers describe their problems and failures; and among the thousands of other scientists nation-wide, one might have the answer."

"So the Russian system which is built around cooperation, often produces successes; but the Western system, especially in America, is built around jealousy and it often leads to failure."

ARTICLE: "History and Purpose of CLONES and CLONING - PART 2: The SCIENTISTS REPORT (THE CLONING OF MAN, OR I WONDER WHO'S KISSINGER NOW?")" - NESARA INTERNATIONAL
LINK: http://nesara.insights2.org/Clones2.html

NATURE only allows THE MOST "EFFICIENT DESIGNS" to SURVIVE in NATURE!!! SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST!!! COOPERATION is a form of "UNITY (GROUP) CONSCIOUSNESS" (WITH LITTLE "SEPERATION"), so it is part of the "ALL IS EQUAL TO ONE" concept in HUMAN SPIRITUAL EVOLUTION!!! COOPERATION and "HOLOGRAPHIC EDUCATION" is the ONLY WAY to go in EDUCATION!!! As we enter "PLANETARY", then "GALACTIC" and then finallY "COSMIC" CONSCIOUSNESS (as THE MAYAN CALENDER predicts), we'll realize how much of this is TRUE!!!

Peace, love and understanding . . .