Ego Death?

I have experienced Ego Death one time, just a couple months ago. Before that, I considered a bunch of experiences 'Ego Death' but once I had this one there was absolutely no question as to what Ego Death was.

I was on about ~6 grams of shrooms. Initially I locked myself in my closet in an attempt at sensory deprivation. I lasted about an hour before I just felt hot and stuffy and bored of silly mind-created patterns and colours. So I sat on my bed.

After about 15 minutes of sitting on my bed, I started to scribble out notes out as I usually do. The trip was very intense.

There came a point as I was sitting that I just relaxed to the point where there was no longer a 'Me.' 'I' was no longer responsible for 'my' actions. It was liberating: the ego was relieved of its burden of being. I was now simply an observer of what was going on, no longer an active participant. I was still scribbling notes at this time, but it was completely automatic: I had no idea while I was writing what was going to be written. I simply observed the writing as it occurred, and was delighted when I read the sentence written in the end. It was freaky, but not frightening. This lasted about four hours, where I filled an entire notebook of gigantic notes, mainly speaking in first person as God in a very prophetical middle-ages style. [Not the External God, but the God which resides in all of us, who is us and who is everything else.]

Topics in the notebook included Technology's undermining of Wisdom, Gödel and Truth, Entropy, The Ganges, Emptiness and Calligraphy. The ideas were no doubt my own, I didn't have access to 'external' knowledge, but the ideas flowed out of my mind unhindered by the constraint of self-judgement. They weren't beautiful passages or anything, in fact I'd consider them quite corny, but the ideas at the center of them were decent enough to integrate into my world view following the experience.

It was freedom while still being alive and functional. Absolutely no doubt in my mind it's the experience that Buddhists strive for and that they attribute to no longer being reborn. If you are no longer grasping onto being then when you die, you no longer compulsively re-create yourself.

 

Julian Assange- my ego perceives these threats from years of my longing to be able to do psychedelics, but inability due to my illness/condition. Who knows, just an idea?

I do take real medication for my disorder as well as weekly therapy, which is sort of my version of the therapy one gets from a 'trip.'

 

Well my thoughts are behind you, hopefully you can feel them push you forward.

 

Salvia is usually classified as a dissociative rather than a psychedelic, along with ketamine, pcp, nitrous oxide, and dxm.

Increase dose :love:

But if taking a physical molecule into your body can affect your "spirit", isn't the spirit then in some fundamental way one with your body? In the same way that as I power the front wheels of my car to move, the back wheels turn in kind, and I don't think of it as "back wheels seperate from front wheels" but rather as a car.

Even if this data is correct, of course we can account for the trip physiologically. Just because we don't yet know for sure what is going on (we don't know what is going on for most medicines on earth), doesn't mean you have to invoke spirituality man. You still haven't graduated past simple stinky brain fluids and low level electrical charges in the brain, you still have not reached the point where you must invoke superstition. It is entirely plausible for there to be some rudimentary neurological event going on with the ingestion of LSD which causes the long trip; a simple chemical chain reaction is no doubt what is going on. Occam's Razor!

But if psychedelics affect the "spirit" at all, then how is the spirit different from the body? Clearly there is some overlap, some interface at the very least, and anything that interfaces with something else is really one half of a larger unit.

Not with that attitude. And not when you quickly jump to magical thinking at the first sign of scientific difficulty. Just because we don't have machinery powerful enough yet to accurately observe subatomic particles, does not mean there are no subatomic particles. Science is just a way of looking at the world dude, it's not "anti-spirit" or however you have conceived of it in your mind. It merely asks "if there is spirit, show it to me. show me its effects. show me something that will make me say 'ah yes, this could only be explained by spirit'"

^ knowledge

 

all this talk about ego-death is killing me :tongue:

 

If only we could get everyone here on 10 hit dose of lsd at the same time. Then we can all come down together, and all at the same time go, "oh thats what damn ego death is, well I'll be.."

 

sure i can agree with that.

 

so buy us all a 10 strip preeease?
:afro:

 

Julian Assange- wouldn't it be interesting if mentally ill folks like me could still go through LSD guided professional psychotherapy?

 

^^The first legal shipment for that purpose came through this month!
I can try and find the article for you, one sec

 

I think ego death may be when you lose the boundary between yourself and the rest of the world.
I remember trippin on shrooms, thinking for a couple hours and looking at the boundaries of things (like water in a glass etc. dunno why lol) and then I looked in the mirror later on and tripped the fuck out. I stared at my damn reflection for like 20 min. (not just cuz im incredibly good looking btw :devil.
I then I started thinking about what separates me from the rest of the world and kind of diverged from there. I won't describe it cuz it would sound fucked.

Gonna read the other posts now to see what others said.
Cheers

 

Total breakdown of all mental and cultural constraints. Freedom of the intuit soul from the chatter of the mind.

Basically freedom and the total change from outer perception into internal perception.

 

I think what you are saying inthy is totally right with regard to ego loss. But wouldn't you agree that there is much more than that involved in ego death? I mean, reflecting upon the experience of my introspection and remembering what was going through my mind still makes me trip lol. IMO, the actual physical experience is pretty mundane without being contrasted with normal behavior, which says to me that it's the thinking that matters to keep that ego 6 feet under. Cuz you gotta be able to think logically about it to apply it to daily life (again IMO). I guess that's completely subjective tho cuz you gotta choose what has more meaning..action or intention or wtvr.... I digress, I'm stoned.
Peace and disco shit :afro:
add-on: BTw I still have an ego so not being a know-it-all or anything, I'm saving acid for a special event :scholar:. Def interested in conflicting opinions.

 

How do you define "the physical experience of ego death"? Do you mean, "What my body is doing during ego death"? What your general body is doing during ego death is, in my opinion, utterly inconsequential, and in fact the whole point of the experience is that the concept of "body" is altered dramatically to be applied to everything, and to nothing, at the same time. This is definitely an entirely "internal" process.

Can you explain more what you mean by choosing between action and intent? I agree that applying the experience of ego death to your daily life is a mental exercise. I think what you're saying is, do you choose to ACT differently or do you choose to THINK differently? Your post has a lot of mind/body duality to it this will be the first casualty of ego death....mind is on body as art is on canvas.

 

how can ego death be a bad thing

 

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