dying for our sins

err how did you make a post containing only three characters, sera michele?

 

wow, ya know what, I have no idea...

 

However, if you don't have a complete understanding of what you are talking about, your points become invalid. I can ramble off at the mouth like I know the Queen of England: I can know her birth date, her address, when she became monarch, etc. etc. and still not know a thing about her, unless I had a personal relationship with her... (Not TOO personal, of course! )

You haven't always been humble and rational, which is why my first post addressed that. If you have genuine questions and concerns, most Christians will be happy to help, and now that I know you are sincere, I won't give you attitude, if you'll do me that same favor.

However, to pick at someone's religion just for the sake of trying to shake their faith will get you no where, and is quite unkind of you. My faith is unshakeable, as is the faith of many others who have been on this thead with us, and for you to tell us that our happiness should be found elsewhere and not in G-d is a matter of your own opinion. I choose to be happy in Christ Jesus, as do many others, so you shouldn't knock that.

Yeah, the spellcheck comment was pretty nitpicky. I agree with you there. Not every intelligent person is good at spelling.

Repeat and refine if you will, your specific questions for me... I can't sort them out through everything else that's been posted on this board... Frankly, I got tired of reading what's-his-face's posts trying to upset Arlia because she doesn't think the same way as him. Remember, the Christians are here in attempts to answer your questions, and the ones participating are pretty open-minded, so rudeness is not necessary.

Good, now if we can get everyone to do the same, we might get somewhere.

And Christians should so be respectful of your beliefs, too. However, considering the way that we believe, some folks may be concerned for your salvation... <<HLS is raising her hand>> So when we try to help you understand how we see our savior, we are doing so in hopes that you'll come to share in the joy we have, that we couldn't find inside. Every person has a hole inside that they want to fill... some fill it with drugs, some with sex, but those things aren't permanent solutions. I'm speaking from experience.

The only reason that we suggest to try Christ is because we care about your happiness not only here, but beyond this realm as well. We encourage everyone to give Him a try. You can always go back to torturing the other Christians online tomorrow (I'm kidding, I'm kidding... ), but if I'm right, you've got a lot to lose. It might be worth it to learn more, before you make your final decision. It's only a suggestion.

 

arlia, it's a sad fact but some people don't and will never understand and will never want to just try your hardest in a non forcefull way to express the joy you have found in christ then it is up to God and the individual if they are a step of faith is to be taken.[/QUOTE]
coolies....yeah im just proclaiming gods greatness.....i hav a responsibility to reach the gospel to ppl,but if they reject it,thats no fault of mine,but for god to work in theyre lives where i simply cannot because im not god!

 

exactly girl, x

 

Sorry, I have been working all day so I am comming in quite late now. I expect by the time Ireturn to at least see three more pages of posts. I will try my best to hit on the things mentioned, as well defend myself and my belefs.

I never once said you must read The Bible in order to be a Christian. What I did say was in order for you to write a book report you must first read the book. Sure you can take the easy way out and google some information and use other peoples opinions, but then, that just makes your opinions invalid. So, when I see you (Bill) and others say something like "I think that is what it says, I am not sure, I get bored reading it" I automaticly see you as a critic that hasn't read the book. It's no different than a right wing person talking about Michael Moores' movie Farenheight 911 when they actualy never saw the movie. So from now on, before you come in here and pretend to be knowledgeable on the issue, make sure you are.

As for the spelling comment. Yes, it does make a difference. It to reflects on your inteligence, self worth, and not to mention shows if you are too lazy to check the proper spelling of a word. I am no spelling pro myself. But I sure do make use of dictionary.com so that my points are able to flow freely into the minds of my readers. I often find myself reading Bill's posts over and over just to understand what he is saying.

As for Sera mentioning a few Chrsitians in the America Attacks forum. Well, let me point out that on the few that you are refering to, they did not start the thread. What happened for example is someone made a thread saying "If you support Bush you support the killing of Americans. Well, from a Christians perspective, If you support Kerry(who supports aborthion) then you support the killing of inocent babies. There is nothign at all wrong with a Christian going into a a thread and posting his views on the topic. Also, If you will notice, Said Christians will post their opinions, then someone will refute said opinions, and the the Christian is defending his beliefs. I know it may be hard for you to grasp but this is how a forum works.

Now, to finalize this. If you have honest questions you want answered about Christianity, then please by all means ask. However, what Bill is doing is not that. I have seen to many of his posts reflect the same hate and childish "haha take that" attitude. As far as I am concerned, there is another forum with his label on it that he can post his hate in and questions, where other aethiests can discuss with him his beliefs.

Ps HippieLngstckng, remeber Real American?

 

dadi dadi dadi hes doing it again dadi dadi da

 

HAW HAW HAW! How could I forget? That dude really knew how to get under people's skin... Not mine, too much, but you have to take folks like that with a grain of salt. I followed him everywhere and drove him crazy for a while.... ROFL!

And my sweet StonerBill, could you stop fooling around so we can get to the heart of the issue? Your questions please. I will answer them to the best of my ability, and if I don't have the answers myself, I will find the answers for you.

BTW, I really hope you were kidding here:

So pull your thumb out of your mouth, wipe it off on your pants, and type your questions, already!

 

NO, you never drove me crazy. I still enjoy reading your opinions even though we may not agree at times.

I can tell you his original question. His original question is asking if he can die for the worlds sins as Jesus did. He thinks for some reason he should be rewarded for doing something like that. It really is a childish logic and is no different than the template he uses in all his questions, pick on Christians.

 

How is it childish logic?

So as I said it seems his sacrifice would be greater really, and I don't see how it would be some kind of reward...

 

I already answered this question though! Whether of not you agree with my answer doesn't change the fact that it is indeed the answer. You need not like it, I have a feeling that you knew you weren't going to like the answer anyway, when you first posted this thread.

I will reiterate the point. You are an imperfect human being, you may not think so, but you really are! So, no. No one would praise you for dying for the sins of the world, because you can't die for the sins of the world, according to Christian Doctrine. Only the Son of G-d, G-d incarnate can die for our sins. Regardless of whether or not you believe in G-d's ability to incarnate Himself as a human, that's just the way it is. You don't have to agree, and it makes sense that you don't because...
YOU AREN'T A CHRISTIAN.

However, if you died to save my earthly life, that really says something awesome about your character! In the event that you gave your earthly life so that I could live mine, then yes, sweetie, I'd be glad to wear a necklace with your picture on it, because that would be one hell of a thing to do for someone.

I don't mean to be harsh, but you asked a question, and we gave the answer. You can't debate the point, because you're arguing about Doctrine... A thing you can't understand too well without knowledge of the Scriptures.

 

ok, please no more spelling haters, i've got so much of it and to say it makes you uninteligent and lazy, sorry that is uninteligent and ignorant of you, i'm at college going on to university so i'm hardly stupid but i can't spell due to dislexia now that isn't an excuse and nore is my lack of spelling more justified than some one else who isn't dislexic. People find spelling hard, english is a really stupid language as far as spelling goes i wish we all spoke spanish where everything is spelled how you speak it.


and as for bill's questions he was making a slightly deeper point than, i want to die and be praised like jesus, he was using it as a thaught provoking introduction which was obviusely slightly too provoking since people have gotten so upset, but if you look in some of the other threads he has been asking alot of good questions and speaking with an open mind. i beleive he is listening and wanting to find out slightly more about our beleifs so give him a chance.

 

Haven't I done so? I'm not upset, Peppy, you're mistaken... I'm as lighthearted as ever. People that I've never met typing on their computers don't upset me. That would be totally pointless.

I'm afraid you've missed some of his less open-minded posts, which he only recently began to tone down. Hopefully, maturity is catching up with our friend. After all, you can't hide forever from adulthood.

 

yeah no worries, it was bandit saying about the spellings and some facist in the hippies thread peace peace peace,


maturity is all well and good, as long as you hold onto enough imaturity to enjoy life. but i know what you mean, more sesitive to others.

 

hippy why do you keep thinkning im adressing you? both tmies youbve thought vie adressed you i was actualyl adressing bandit, youve answerd me question, he didnt.

i can spell most words fine if i actualyl had to, its not that i cant spell, its that the way i type means that i make lots of errors and mix up letters.

As vie said before though, msot of you are mixing up the idea of my death being worthy of your sins.

its about teh sacrifice that i, or subsequently, jesus, made that you thank him for.

I keep asking teh question again, and people keep referring back to the original wording of teh question, which i had to change because of certain misconceptions.

read through my posts and youll see im talking about the personal sacrifice to which you attribute to jesus, the fact that my death would not suffice to make up for your sins is 100% irrelevant.

 

My apologies to you, Bill, I thought your statements were up for anyone to respond to. I'll leave after this.

There would be huge difference in the meaning of the sacrifice, and that difference is relevant. I don't think anyone is arguing the point that if you were to sacrifice your life to save us from some horrible death that it wouldn't be honorable.

But if you decided to hang yourself on a cross or something, to die for everyone's sins or to show your willingness to die as Christ did, your death would be meaningless, save a strange story to read about in the "Weird News" section.

Hopefully, Bandit will come back to answer your questions for you. Just understand that I'm very concerned that you have proper information about Christianity, because it's not as bad or restrictive as most people make it seem. Hopefully, you aren't offended at my concern...

But if so, my most sincere apologies.

 

stop steering away from the comparison of personal sacrifice bewteen me and jesus please because i know bandit would have trouble doing so

 

But Bill, that's the answer. Maybe you're not asking the right questions.

Maybe someone would praise you like you were Jesus, but I don't see any Christian doing that. I could be wrong, though.

And the reason as to why no one Christian would praise you in that way has already been stated... Our sins are paid for already, regardless of your intentions and goodwill, your death is not necessary. Christ's was.

Unless there's a section in the Bible about a gentleman named StonerBill that will be sent to die for us, and I'm missing it.

 

waht do you mean tis teh asnwer you didnt adress the issue yourself at all in your post. i dont care how meaningless the death would be, as i said, tis irrelevant.

unless thats your answer, that sacrificing my own life would be meaningless. in which case why do you thank jesus for giving his life? you should thank him for his taking away of your sins but you should then never thank him for dying, because personal sacrifice means nothing, apparently?

 

That's much better! Now I understand your question.

We should thank Jesus for choosing to go through with the Crucifixion, because He could have chosen not to make that personal sacrifice. After all, He was the Son of G-d, and many believe that He could have done whatever He wanted, with the snap of His fingers. When He prayed in the Garden of Gethsemanie (sp?... And I'm not getting a dictionary, because that's just trifling), He asked if this bitter cup (His situation) could pass him by, but only if it was the Father's will.

That means that the human part of Him didn't want to go... Some have even hypothesized that He wanted to stay here, continue His ministry, and marry Mary Magdaline. I believe that is fully possible, because as much as He was G-d, He was also a man, with human desires. But He chose not to live that human life, because He knew that if He did not sacrifice Himself for our sins, that many of us would be lost to the pit of fire... It's easier to get to Heaven by way of His Forgiveness, than to follow the Jewish Law to the letter. I know that from experience.

So, because He loved all of us who would come accept Him as savior (and that means everyone, past, present, and distant future), He didn't want to throw our souls away like that. He knows and loves each and every one of us for who we are, and the things He asks for in return for salvation are simple: To proclaim Him as our personal savior, and to make a conscious effort to align our lives with His design. In other words, to be a Christian, one should try to act as they think Christ would have acted... In accordance with what is found in the scriptures, of course.

I hope this is better. Sometimes I can be dense to what is being asked. And this probably still isn't what you're asking...