How utterly predictable that all the dutch posters (except one) get filled with rage and national pride claiming that the problem is all mine. For your information, speak to any dutch person who has lived in another western country and even they will tell you the same thing. This is far from just my observation from living in Amsterdam. I find it very telling that all these Dutch posters are so quick to claim that manners are just as well received in the netherlands as they are elsewhere. Might I ask which countires (other than then netherlands) you have lived in order to make such a judgement? Boy is it easy to get Dutchies all heated up!
It would be much more gallant to admit you made an incorrect observation. No one is heated up, we ALL just disagree with you. Both Dutch and non-Dutch. I learned my Dutch customs and manners in Beverwijk. Where did you learn your's again? Amsterdam centrum? That would explain your thought process. Amsterdam does not really represent greater Nederland at all.
In case you hadn't noticed this is a forum about Amsterdam. PS. Beverwijk hey? Yes, the Grand Bazaar does offer an intersting take on Dutch customs I agree.
I so cannot stand this. Youre just wrong, and i know from experience because ive had tons of people holding the door open for me, and when i say so, it must be pride. Like id give a fuck if we really dont hold doors open and youd say so. Were just saying youre wrong, thats not our pride, youre just wrong.
But its about DUTCH manners, which means its about Dutch people in general, not just the people in Amsterdam. Parisians are arseholes, they really are, but theyre not like the rest of France in many ways. Itd just be ignorant to judge the entire country by what the Parisians do. Maybe the same works for Amsterdam and the rest of the Netherlands.
http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=64&story_id=82&name=Dating+the+Dutch *sits back and waits for fallout*
i don't know what they want or like but i can tell you this: one year i did a trip to england, spain and hollland. And here are my observations from a purely male T&A perspective: english women are beautiful with big tatas but no booty. then i went to spain, spanish women are beautiful with big booties but lil bitty boobies then i went to holland, dutch women are beautiful with big boobs and big butts. in conclusion: women are beautiful, but physical beauty is merely something that makes you attractive to complete strangers. Inner beauty is revealed to your closest friends. and no matter how hot she may look, somewhere, somebody is tired of her shit.
a question for you to ponder: i wonder about this 'dutch strong woman' stereotype. is it becuase the netherlands was once a sea faring nation and so many of its men were always away leaving the women to fend for themselves? Or perhaps the result of the 80's year war with spain, depleting the population of men again and leaving women in a stronger position?
damn, i forgot now, but some very famous silver screen actress was born in amsterdam. she has a non-dutch sounding name and lived in amsterdam during the war ( i remember reading that in the article - something about boiling tulips bulbs or something ) damn, damn, damn i forgot.
Do you know the term "grabbing at straws"? Or, "time to throw in the towel"? Hey Jasonspaceman, I guess we will just disagree about this subject. Maybe you could start a thread titled "Amsterdam Manners, how to act in the centrum". SP
Ok i was worng about her being born in amsterdam but here is the lady i was talking about: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000030/bio Audrey Hepburn was born on May 4, 1929 in Brussels, Belgium. She really was blue-blood from the beginning with her father, a wealthy English banker, and her mother, a Dutch baroness. After her parents divorced, Audrey went to London with her mother where she went to a private girls school. Later, when her mother moved back to the Netherlands, she attended private schools as well. While vacationing with her mother in Arnhem, Holland, Hitler's army took over the town. It was here that she fell on hard times during the Nazi occupation. Audrey suffered from depression and malnutrition. After the liberation, Audrey went to a ballet school in London on a scholarship and later began a modeling career. As a model, she was graceful and, it seemed, she had found her niche in life - until the film producers came calling. After being spotted modeling by a producer, she was signed to a bit part in the European film Nederlands in 7 lessen (1948) in 1948. Later, she had a speaking role in the 1951 film, Young Wives' Tale (1951) as Eve Lester. The part still wasn't much, so she headed to America to try her luck there. Audrey gained immediate prominence in the US with her role in Roman Holiday (1953) in 1953. This film turned out to be a smashing success as she won an Oscar as Best Actress. This gained her enormous popularity and more plum roles. One of the reasons for her popularity was the fact that she was so elf-like and had class, unlike the sex-goddesses of the time. Roman Holiday (1953) was followed by another similarly wonderful performance in the 1957 classic Funny Face (1957). Sabrina (1954), in 1954, for which she received another Academy nomination, and Love in the Afternoon (1957), in 1957, also garnered rave reviews. In 1959, she received yet another nomination for her role in The Nun's Story (1959). Audrey reached the pinnacle of her career when she played Holly Golightly in the delightful film Breakfast at Tiffany's (1961) in 1961. For this she received another nomination. One of Audrey's most radiant roles was in the fine production of My Fair Lady (1964) in 1964. Her co-star, Rex Harrison, once was asked to identify his favorite leading lady. Without hesitation, he replied, "Audrey Hepburn in 'My Fair Lady.'" After a couple of other movies, she hit pay dirt and another nomination in 1967's Wait Until Dark (1967). By the end of the sixties, after her divorce from actor Mel Ferrer, Audrey decided to retire while she was on top. Later she married Dr. Andrea Dotti. From time to time, she would appear on the silver screen. One film of note was Robin and Marian (1976), with Sean Connery in 1976. In 1988, Audrey became a special ambassador to the United Nations UNICEF fund helping children in Latin America and Africa, a position she retained until 1993. She was named to People's magazine as one of the 50 most beautiful people in the world. Her last film was Always (1989) in 1989. Audrey Hepburn died on January 20, 1993 in Tolochnaz, Switzerland, from colon cancer. She had made a total of 31 high quality movies. Her elegance and style will always be remembered in film history as evidenced by her being named in Empire magazine's "The Top 100 Movie Stars of All Time."
She's amazing in Breakfast at Tiffany's. I love that movie. But I don't think she looks like a typical Dutch woman, if such a creature exists.
Haha seriously, dont you have anything else to link us to than Expatica? Everyone knows the people on that site are just as - if not more - pessimistic and negative than you are. And they are about whatever country they moved to.
actually, that isn't true. just browse the other boards on there and you will see the difference. whats more, that isn't the only place where people voice similar complaints about the netherlands.
Famke Janssen is dutch http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000463/ Rebacca Romijn is half dutch aswell http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005381/ about the whole holding the door thing, I always hold the door for people if they're walking right behind me.. But more in a matter of walk in front hold the door and as soon as the person walking behind me gabs it I walk on.. So not in a way like you wait for the other person to walk through first.. Maybe that's the difference.. Most people I encounter do this when someone is walking behind them.. I also think there is a difference between big city (randstad) and small ones.. When I walk here where I live and make eye contact with someone I don't know, we smile and say hello.. If I do that in the big city, people look at me like I'm crazy.. But dutch woman rule indeed I am offended when a guy wants to buy me dinner and I can't return the favour, or when a guy wants to carry my bag when I've already said I can handle it.. I had a boyfriend like that once, made me crazy.. But still somewhere deep down I thought it was kind of nice.. Just don't over do it..
