I feel you ,I smoke 4-5 times a day but I can still see the psychedelic aspect of weed, especially when I get a good sativa strain. You have to work for it a little more but its definitely a psychedelic regardless of tolerance.
Ive broken through a couple times on salvia aswell, but the experience isn't psychedelic for me, sure, I speak to entities, or have extremely intricate OEV's/CEV's.. yet, it feels nothing like any psychedelic experience i've had, psychedelics connect me to my surroundings, have unique body buzz, ect. all of this wasn't the same with salvia, I had a horrible flu like body buzz, had a short term memory of about 2 seconds, learned nothing, and basically just saw/heard a bunch of stupid stuff....salvia just feels like its pulling a prank on you, it pretends to be a rewarding/enlightening experience yet just laughs at you stumbling, drooling, not knowing wtf is going on ect. Not to mention I've lost memory of about 95% of my time spend on salvia, easy as fuck to blackout. When I had no tolerance weed would make me have more visuals then my last like......5 trips. but im smoking way too much with a monster tolerance now, idk when the last time i was STONED was.
I hear you for sure but I find the same true with dmt. Ive had it feel where those little orbs or whatever are pulling pranks or just having you watch them for their amusement and I felt pretty ill for the few mins of the last Dmt trip. I mean many Dmt heads including McKenna have noted the pranksters.
the visuals i had on salvia were enough to make it psychedelic. not to mention the crazy thoughts i had
Eh, throwing mdma in there invalidates the whole thing imo lol. You could have your finger cut off "at the end of MDMA" and it would be relatively pleasant. pork, i understand it was psychedelic in the sense that shit happened in your head, but are you a different person after it in any way? Or is it just a 2 minute mindfuck with nothing whatsoever applicable to anything whatsoever? Ie, a plant based bang-head-into-wall? A sensorial tour de force . . . eh fuck it i gotta try it to say shit
Lsd plus salvia is very psychedelic haha. Its also terrifying. O ya, has anyone stuck the deep up their bum yet?
It doesn't invalidate the whole thing though. I've tried MDMA + dmt and that was nowhere near as astonishing as MDMA + salvia. They compliment each other perfectly. The things we have listed: body load, terrifying thoughts, this tricking you, all get smoothed out by the euphoria, bliss, and reassurance of mdma. Salvia certainly stands on its own though I don't think anyone who has had a breakthrough would say they feel the need to add more drugs to it, it was more just a curiousity. I've flipped on nitrous and k too I dunno something unique about this combo tho.
hard to say if i'm a different person after it. probably. but at the same time each day changes who i am a little bit.. and now i'm gonna say that i don't think anything changes who i am that much. my first trip on each substance (LSD, mushrooms and 2ce) were all pretty "changing," as well as particularly strong ones. but after awhile it's like i've got the message. i can't help but think there is something "beneficial" to salvia. it seems to take many people to the same "place" and maybe it has to do with a common psychological trait. if you read my comments about it, they could be interpreted through reality and maybe offer hints and how to...do something..
Yah! I'm excited to hear about it. I meditated coming out and it was amazing for a good 15 mins post trip, I'm sure someone who is more proficient than I at meditating could astral project better than I but it was a pretty amazing sensation nonetheless. Sex may be quite amazing and sweaty directly after too, I was to reeling from the experience still for that kind of thing.
Look at ALL the people that do salvia, go to a highschool and the second most popular drug used is salvia.....Most of these kids still act like big douchebags, no impact on their ego at all. ect. I've gained more from 10 minutes of low dose dmt then I have on all the salvia i've smoked (3+ grams all over 20X extract). trust me, I truly tried my best to get something out of it. I 100% thank dmt for getting me out of a huge run of depression/anxiety....DMT has had the greatest POSITIVE impact on my quality of life out of any other substance i've ingested...
Thats great that its had such a positive effect on you. Do you truly believe that if Dmt were legal that everyone would just all of a sudden become enlightened, caring, non depressed psychonauts and all would be well in the world? To appreciate salvia I believe it takes a certain level of maturity just as it does with dmt.
Nope, not at all....just stating MY experiences with these two substances aswell as what I've observed in others... My friend smoked salvia, saw a commercial for pizzas on the tv and started bitching that he dropped his pizza (wasn't eating one), he also thought he was walking down the street with bender frie and leela on futurama when it came onto the screen...no revelations or psychedelia... sound more like a delirient to me. then my breakthrough experiences,first time I did salvia I smoked a .6 of "60x" lol. needless to say i blacked out, "came to" sometime later with all seeing all white and hearing a snarling/heavy breathing....everything then went red and I saw millions of monsterous yet humanoid creatures (something like predator) and kept blacking out while coming back and seeing them again.....eventually came back to reality sweating and shaking in the fetal position on the floor across the house.
dont forget dynamickid! and on the topic of salvia, technically it's not a 5-ht psychedelic but the "visuals" (unlike any 5-ht psych) and the fear aspect of it is just as real as anything else. most of it I can't even remember anymore, but I'd describe it as getting the shit kicked out of your soul for a few minutes.
I may get around to it but I might go for a lower dose but the injection route. I was thinking 100 mgs Im injection first trial and go from there. Probably won't be for a little while though, I have other compounds to try and some other real world stuff I have to deal with.
ya I don't think anyone will forget dk. quite the sad story... you and your knowledge will be missed DK
Dont bash salvia until you have smoked the good shit. There is no denying that it is incredibly psychedelic. I pull so much from those trips, you guys should really read some buddhism shit if you cant learn anything from salvia. By embracing loss, we gain. Come on guys.
Buddhism is pretty cool, but I prefer Taoism. I wouldn't say I gain anything from tripping on any drug, I just realize.
I learned quite a bit from DPT, but it's knowledge that lies deep inside me. My world was torn apart just like my first 5-meo-dmt trip but way more extreme. It is it's own level, I have never heard of any drug like it. I don't think I will ever find anything on that level.
