Don't any of you find pervision wrong

Zion: Out of curiosity......how old are you?

If you don't think about your OWN privates, it must make it pretty tough to take a piss....Also forget what I said about a spellcheck program.....you need a grammer one too.

I agree with you Stonerbill......you are years older than your actual age. Refreshing to see.

 

There's nothing wrong with being asexual, just don't try to force it on other people. I don't think that it's fair to judge other people as perverted because they enjoy sex and masturbation, and like to think about genitals. That's not perverted, that's pretty damn normal.

I'm still of the opinion that fetishes etc are only bad if they prevent you from acting normally in your day to day life, or if you harm someone who hasn't consented to that harm (s/m is fine for other people, so long as everyone has consented and you have a safe word, type of thing)

 

Just because someone wants to enjoy a sexual experience doesn't mean they're unsatisfied. I might have a wonderful dinner and be completely satisfied by it. But I'll still want that piece of pie for dessert. Is that unhealthy?

WHY do you think sex is so wrong? How is it different from any other pleasurable activity that people engage in? Like sports, or swimming, or cooking, or playing an instrument, etc.

I enjoy life too. I've travelled across the ocean, bungy jumped from a high bridge, cooked a feast for a family, performed in front of Dizzy Gillespie, hung out in a theater with Bill Gates, hiked up a mountain, and I've enjoyed intimate moments with people I care about. Yet you see that last one as perverted? Well, maybe for you.

What is perversion or kinky? Some people use a feather. Others use the whole chicken. What's perverted to you isn't necessarily perverted to the majority. Hell, I could tell you stories that would make you think I was the antichrist.

 

I have liberated myself from my desires, Thus I dont need to have sex. Procreation is obvious, but pleasure I have risen above. It actually feels really good to stand above our vanities, Im jsut trying to offer this peace of mind. I can't apologies for using the word WRONG, I just feel so above sex that Its been under rooted as wrong. But nothing is ever wrong nor right. right
BUT i like that pie analogy,
and gspot why would I need spell check when I have you Just kiddin man

 

But if you've risen above sex, why haven't you risen above the bare minimum for food? Why do you indulge in the internet? You probably wear decent clothing, rather than the bare minimum. Why is sex bad, but other indulgences aren't? That's where I'm confused in your ideology

see, StonerBill was clever and said it before I did. I just don't get why sex is under the bad list, but no other major indulgence seems to be. Obesity is more harmful for your body than sex (not saying your obese, but overindulging in food leads to worse things than overindulging in sex, generally speaking).

 

Your not serious are you? Food is a necessity, sex isn't. I didn't need to exlain that to you. You think I wouldn't take my morality into my diet, I eat once a day and Im a vegetarian. Im not just sex bashing, It goes for all vanities. As for the internet, I love meeting you and hearing what each human has to say. Especially when I can sit here and talk to poeple across the world. Thats beautiful, not vain.

 

Sex is a neccesity if we want the human race to continue exsisting... And I beleive that a physical union between lovers is a beautifull thing. How could you think somthing that is neccesary for procreation to be vain?

 

What is a necessity? If we take food and air and all the physical necessities, but nothing more, we are saying that life is just about surviving. Love and harmony are important. We want to be happy and see happiness around us. People have different conditions. Physical, psychological, and these are not always simple things to deal with. People have different needs. Our society also creates lots of difficult psychological conditions for the people. Also what we call perversions, sick things people want to do, are in that way natural. It's not enough just to condemn it. We need also to be able to deal with it. Whenever we have a problem, we will not be able to deal with it until we understand it. Are perverted people like they are because they were born that way or how did they become like that? I don't think people are born perverted. You just need to spend time with children to realize that.

A good question then is: what is perversion and how do people become perverted? But then there is another question: Who is the one to define normal and right and therefore the perversion?

What is partly an issue here is what is the ideal of a human being and here the opinions probably differ. Is it, for example, better use of life to have sex and seek other enjoyments, and what do these things mean, or is there something valuable, like freedom of the spirit, which you cannot have if you are attached to sense-pleasures. For me this is not clear. What is life all about?
These are not so obvious questions. We can most people probably agree on some things which we generally call perversion, like those already brought up in this thread. Although opinions differ there too. Some would say that it's wrong to have sex unless married, and unless with the purpose of making kids. Some say it's wrong to have sex with a person you have just met for the first time. Some say anal or oral is wrong. Maybe someone has a problem putting
the tongue in another person's mouth, because it feels indecent.
The quite clear ones are then all the violent things, when people harm another or oneself, or when there is some certain sense of innosense(like children) connected to sex when sex depraves...
I don't know what to add there. I just think, considering real perversion, whatever it may be, it needs the right way of approaching. If someone is to consider something perversion, he/she should understand it is like that, know why it is so and feel it is so. Without this kind of understanding/feeling/knowledge about it, we just become hypocrites, stuck in prejudices, condemning others as well as ourselves in fear of being abnormal/sinful/bad/condemned/judged/doomed etc, morally declined, adults who tell their children not to listen to rock'n roll or not to be communist... or a hippie.

 

Any commentS? Or conclusions?