Donald Trump

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  1. AceK

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    I'm not a member of the fanatical church crowd, or a "conservative". I'm a member of the anti-Hillary-Clinton crowd. I don't want to have to vote for Trump necessarily ... but I will have no other choice if we get Hillary as democratic candidate in the general. I voted Sanders in the primary, the sheep of society will all follow each other to the slaughterhouse and then wonder what the hell went wrong.
     
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  2. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Healthcare is not a human right? Society decides what human rights are, no one else. Is owning a gun a human right, seems to be for the Conservatives; but not healthcare.

    No, give me a break. What a sexist statement. The only reason Hillary has accomplished what she has is because she's a woman! And we all know how lucky you are if you get to be born a woman! The only reason you don't climb to the top of your particular calling, if you are a woman, is because you are lazy, don't want to, waste your time...whatever...because women have a decided advantage over men.

    Well finally conclusive proof. Norah Vincent disguised herself as a man and became so depressed she was committed to three different mental hospitals.
    Clearly she was running on all eight cylinders and can be relied on to confirm our assumption that "If Hillary was a man she wouldn't be anywhere NEAR as far as she is today". No, she'd be in a mental hospital.

    And let's not forget:
    The Liberal Raillery Clinton is actually a Conservative,
    We can make right decisions but they must made for reasons that you approve of,
    Our professional soldiers have no morals because as professionals they kill people and,
    Never trust a vet.

    ...depends on the context.

    ..... I don't know what companies you've worked for but I've worked for companies that stay out of their employees personal lives as long as no laws are broken. Nothing illegal about having an affair, if there was half the country would be locked up by now.


    And then we go into the disparity over wage parity.
    The article you posted i soften cited by Conservatives, however:

    In addition, women are still discriminated against because they are women (except for Hillary who wouldn't have gotten where she is if she had been a man)
    Woman must bear children and are discriminated against when they have to take leave for child birth and care, their insurance rates are higher impacting their wages, "feminine" jobs such as cashier verses stock "boy" are undervalued, social expectations for certain jobs are biased toward males, and woman are dismissed more readily when companies downsize.
     
  3. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    LOL!
     
  4. Moonglow181

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    Baaaaaaaaaaaa..........

    I am with you on Bernie Sanders...but am going the other direction between the other two...as much as I dislike Hillary, I don't think this country needs a lobster faced asshole turning this country into one big golf course for the very rich and fuck the rest of the worker ants, who will just have to clean toilets and wipe the asses of the very rich, so they can continue to lead the lives they are accustomed to.......and nevermind Trump gets away with breaking the law, REPEATEDLY, on the taxes he has never paid....and on top of that try to over turn Roe vs Wade so the poor who cannot afford any more children and want abortions will have to have them anyway..........or fracking that will affect generations to come or anything else.
     
  5. Moonglow181

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    yeah, ok, I have heard this many times before from the right wing.....man, keep on doing what you are doing.....no need to change a thing.
     
  6. Karen_J

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    Not a valid reason for giving Trump a free pass on character issues.
     
  7. AceK

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    I don't care what he looks like lol. I just disagree with Hillary on too deep of a level when it comes to certain things, she goes against the core of my ethics. Not that trump doesn't violate my ethics either, or that I don't disagree with a lot of things about him either ... but you ought to know me well enough by now to know what kinds of things I stand for, and what I stand against.

    I will post another blog soon, a paper I wrote somewhat recently, the title of the paper is Firms Relying on Unethical Business Models Should be Allowed to Fail

    It might be an interesting read ... it's just kind of a PITA to post papers in HF blogs and not have the formatting completely screwed up to where it doesn't resemble the original work at all.
     
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  8. Moonglow181

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    Yeah, so what choice do we really have.....none....:(

    again, we can just fight among ourselves over two of the worst candidates this country has ever seen.....and nothing will ever get better.....nothing....because it just amounts to the same shit over and over again.

    which by the way, in real life, my best friend here wants Trump over Hillary, too, and I just let her talk......and do not argue. She still is my friend.....so i don't know why the problem gets out of hand here......I don't know at all......
     
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  9. Moonglow181

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    I will look for your blog...no hard feelings.....:)
     
  10. The difference is that people don't look upon Russia and Iran as bastions of the democratic process. When America elects someone, it looks like we either did really good or really fucked up. When these guys elect someone it looks like a dictator rigged the elections. But I think the world is slowly starting to realize that America isn't much better.

    Were you asking for proof when all these women came out against Cosby?

    He was buddies with a convicted pedophile. He asked the Secret Service to stay home while he rode around the world on this guy's plane, dubbed "The Lolita Express" and visited the guy's island, dubbed "orgy island." Jeffrey Epstein, convicted of soliciting a minor for prostitution. A registered sex offender.

    Because Clinton is running against Bernie and I want Bernie to win. When Bernie is up against Trump then it's Trump's turn. If it's Trump against Clinton, I'll just laugh. Probably most of the jokes are going to be on Clinton, though. She's really not good at handling herself against an opponent.

    Why do you think the Koch Brothers support her? Why do you think Cruz and Bush donors are now backing Hillary? Because she's no fucking different. She's just another big business corporate war hawk. The only difference is who you feel more comfortable being lied to by for the next four years.

    No, I always support good decisions. I just don't always support the people making them, and I don't give much credit to a pedophile who happens to make a good decision or two. I'd rather be living in the Great Depression than be represented by a pedophile.

    I hope you don't think I'm just being a jerk calling Bill a pedophile, but c'mon. It makes me so sick that this shit happened, and that Bill rode on that plane and visited that island.

    Well, soldiers killing enemy combatants is one thing, soldiers raping and killing innocent women and children is another. I don't believe that all killing is immoral in general.

    Hillary and Drumpf are the same damn thing. The poor will get poorer; the rich will get richer. Hillary has also repeatedly gotten away with breaking the law. Hillary supports the death penalty. She told an innocent guy who was released from death row that she supported the death penalty. And she has backed fracking all over the world.

    Does it get out of hand here? I feel like we all just say things but feel apathetic towards our own opinions.
     
  11. AceK

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    It's not there yet. It's kind of hard to post things on a HF blog, have to change the formatting and edit every line and such.

    I agree with you though that we really don't have much of a real choice .... which sucks.
     
  12. MeAgain

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    I love these blanket statements!

    Certainly Trump, Hillary, and Sanders are far worse than:

    Homer A. Tomlinson who ran on the Theocratic Party ticket in five elections from 1955 to 1968. He wanted to to replace taxation with tithing and appoint a Secretary of Righteousness. He ended up declaring himself "King of the World".
    Earl Bowder, known Russian spy and Communist Party Member.
    John G. Schmitz, expelled from the John Birch Society for being too extreme, he called for a return to segregation and a military coup if Regan wasn't successful.
    Then there's Lyndon LaRouche, John Hagelin, Jack Shepard, Lee Mercer Jr., David Sponheim

    All third party BTW.....

    And let's not forget George Wallace, and David Duke....and many many more

    Worse candidates the U.S. has ever seen? Hardly.
     
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  14. MeAgain

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    Oh...I thought we were talking about Bill Clinton? Yeah, I'm asking for proof against Cosby...he'll have his day in court.
    Is that how it goes, I read at least four secret Service personal accompanied him. But, regardless, if I visit the home of a registered sex offender does that automatically mean I'm also a sex offender? Didn't know it worked that way, interesting.

    No, not a jerk, just someone who is cliaming that someone else has committed a crime without providing any evidence. I would say you are committing premeditated slander because you don't like someone, also probably libel as you are posting this on a public site.

    Oh...I'm wrong again, I thought you said "Our fundamental morality doesn't change from our personal life to our professional life." So professionally killing for war is okay and moral and that is a special case in that our fundamental morality does change from our personal life to our professional life, in this case. Any other times this happens?

    ...there's that slander again.
     
  15. Oh, because Bill Cosby has admitted guilt and most of us already knew he was guilty from the extent of the accusations leveled against him, just like we think Bill Clinton is a rapist.

    Well, take my advice, don't visit the homes of registered sex offenders. But YOU'RE probably smart enough to know that already. President Bill Clinton...not so much...

    Yeah, I'm pretty sure a court of law is going to realize that this is my opinion and not me trying to deceive you into thinking it's a fact. In my opinion, Bill Clinton is a pedophile and a rapist. Satisfied?

    You're not making any sense. You don't kill soldiers in your personal life, and there's nothing immoral about killing enemy combatants in your professional life. So your morals aren't changing.

    Edit: Also, are you really trying to debate with me whether an immoral person turns moral when they're doing something professionally? Really?

    You have a ridiculous stance on what does and doesn't qualify as slander. Everyone knows this is a message board full of opinions. Do I honestly have to preface all of my statements with "In my opinion"? Do you think Bill's lawyers will single me out for prosecution when this shit is being said every second of the day all over the internet? Gee, I must be better at arguing than I thought. I'm pretty significant, evidently.
     
  16. Moonglow181

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    yeah, there have been alot of worsts.....alot of them.......and i do not hate Hillary as much as some people do, but I also had my heart set on a Bernie Presidency....and Hillary is going to be a very poor consolation prize if she wins, which in my mind is still better than the alternative.
     
  17. In my opinion Hillary and Drumpf are as bad as any of these guys. It's kind of hard to say anything is worse than being ushered into a dystopian oligarchy.
     
  18. MeAgain

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    Toast,

    I don't know where you are going with the Cosby thing.
    Visiting the homes of registered sex offenders is not a crime, if so the cable guy would be arrested.
    You continue to state your opinions as if they were facts. I know Bill Clinton doesn't give a rat's ass about what you say....that doesn't make your statements any more or less honorable. You make false statements and pass them off as facts, so I don't really give much credence to your opinions either. I realize you're not going to be sued for slander but you still are making false statements aimed at damaging both Clintons' reputations. As slander is spoken, I threw in libel also, which is a written defamation!

    On the subject of morals, you seem to have that all locked up also. You make statements about what is and what isn't moral , who is and isn't moral and what actions are considered moral actions, then waffle when called to back up what you say. First professional actions always cross into private lives, so a private affair always effects public policy decisions.....but killing people professionally has no bearing on private life because it's not immoral to kill soldiers, as I assume they're not really human, and it's your job...can't possibly affect your private morals.

    Then we have this:
    That is the anti thesis to your argument, not my argument. I'm just pointing out how much you are in error when you state that :
    That's a pretty definitive, simplistic statement about people's morals and motivations and it only works if it's based on assumptions.
     
  19. One of the latest things I've said in this very thread is that I thought everyone was apathetic to their own opinions. Which was a joke, but hence, from my point of view, we are only sharing opinions.

    If I was trying to deceive you, I'd be a completely different person. I am not quite that emotionally invested in the conversation. I just get carried away. I don't really expect anyone to give a damn what I think of Bill Clinton. I just want to be an opposing voice on this issue because I really don't think the Clintons are good people. I'm really getting disgusted talking about rape though, so I'm not going to talk about it anymore.

    Yes, I have my opinions on what is and is not moral as well. I don't know, maybe soldiers killing enemy soldiers does make them that much more apathetic to life in general. Or maybe it strengthens their resolve to be true to the "good" people. Honestly this world is so messed up I think a lot of the time what is moral is just a naive desire to do what is right.

    I think you're grasping at straws. At the end of the day, everything is based on assumption. But I think it's right up there with all the reasonable assumptions of all time that someone who is evil in their private life is not good in their public life, whatever facade they put on for the public.

    I know "evil" seems like a pretty extreme thing to call certain human behaviors, but I don't know what else to call it anymore. Is cheating on your wife evil? It's evil when you do it and you don't ever give a damn that you did it. But then I have to assume that Bill Clinton doesn't care, but with his track record, I really don't think he does. I don't think most politicians give a shit about much of anything, really. I think they simply enjoy climbing social ladders. Its what they do. The laws they enact have no rhyme or reason. They're just a mess of things that seemed right at the time because at the time they helped whomever to climb the social ladder. Sometimes they're good, sometimes they're bad.
     
  20. 6-eyed shaman

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    That's because she was married to the right guy to help her build her career big enough with the name recognition to be the heavyweight pres candidate that she is today. Now, I won't say that if she were a man that she'd be a complete nobody. For all I know, a male Hillary Clinton could probably be a successful politician holding a high office somewhere. But she played the "I'm a woman, vote for me!" card the whole way through, and she continues to play it against Bernie.


    In case you didn't get it, the Norah Vincent video was provided as proof that there are extreme advantages and disadvantages men and women both face in society. There are heavy double standards that both genders face in society that need to be recognized. Both genders have different obstacles to overcome in life. But in the end, one doesn't have any more human rights than the other. But again, you haven't really addressed what rights men have that women don't. It all boiled down to societal expectations and double standards in the end. It always does.

    Right, but most of the examples from that video were just petty insults based on a woman's appearance. Only a select few of them were actually sexist. I too believe that flat chested ladies can't be perfect 10's either, but I can still find them pretty. Does that make me a sexist too?

    I never said it was illegal to have an affair, you made that up. You're deliberately misunderstanding me and trying to spin my words. I said it is against the rules of most companies and organizations for management and upper level employees to date and have relationships with their inferiors, in some cases it's a fireable offense. And I already listed the reasons why: It's wrong for upper level management to take advantage of lower level employees for sexual favors, just as it's wrong for lower level employees to sleep their way up the company ladder. In certain companies I worked for, dating same-level coworkers within the department was prohibited, but in other companies I've worked for it was allowed, but sometimes frowned upon. It makes sense because most managers don't want their employees to bring relationship drama into the workplace with them (to be fair, my parents worked in two completely different departments within the same company, and that's how they met). Frankly, I don't give a damn if Bill cheated on his wife. In fact I think it would've spared the Clintons a lot of ridicule if they would've just come out and admitted they're both swingers.



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    *sigh* Again, I already touched on the STEM jobs vs. female-dominated jobs. But I'll get a few things out in the open for you:

    -Women who want to work in Tech already do
    -More men than women are interested in STEM
    -Does diversity really improve a company's performance? If so, can you prove it?
    -More here :http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/19/14-facts-the-tanking-women-in-tech-movement-doesnt-want-you-to-know/


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n76ZozxQAM
     
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