Donald Trump

Discussion in 'Politics' started by newo, Aug 21, 2015.

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  1. The kinds of choices you make in your personal life aren't separate from the kinds of choices you make in your professional life. And the president doesn't just manage the country by making laws and balancing the budget. He/she sets a standard by which all Americans are measured, like it or not.

    I mean, that's part of the reason no one wants Trump as president. No one wants people from other countries looking at America and seeing Trump as our primary representative. We will have to adjust to distance ourselves from the status quo, and likely we will feel unsuccessful in our efforts to do so.

    I want my values represented, so how a president conducts themselves in all areas of their life is my business, in my opinion.

    I talk about Bill because Bill is Hillary's wife. She has him out on the campaign trail representing her. She said she'll put him in charge of the economy (which would technically be her job, but whatever.) And if all of this wasn't enough, I just am not comfortable with someone with Bill's history living in the White House. The White House is a symbol of this country, and I just don't like the idea of someone who is friends with pedophiles and likely as not a pedophile himself sleeping there in a big cozy bed.

    I never watch TV! The only thing I watch is the Young Turks. I am my own person. You are your own person. But you must acknowledge that many people aren't their own people. They change with the seasons. The President is the status quo and they are his minions.

    Don't you remember what it was like under Bush? With all the country bumpkins coming out of the woodwork? They will return with Drumpf, and they will feel empowered. It will be REALLY annoying and will make us all collectively stupider.

    But Hillary supporters frankly scare me even more. Either they aren't aware that the establishment has got the whole system rigged or they just don't care. I'm not ready to march off into a brave new world just yet.
     
  2. Karen_J

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    That's an unproven opinion. Conservatives tend to believe this, liberals rarely do.
     
  3. Liberals are no better than conservatives anymore. Hillary Clinton herself, the most established "liberal" of all time is herself a Conservative with a capital C. Shit, she's even said herself that her conservative roots greatly influence her decision making. Goldwater Girl 4 life.

    I think you may be confusing what I'm saying, though. I'm not saying good decisions won't be made by people with questionable morals. I am just saying they won't be made for the right reasons. Our fundamental morality doesn't change from our personal life to our professional life. If all you think about is yourself in your personal life, you don't suddenly become an altruist when you're in public. You might do good things, but I guarantee you you think there's something in it for you when you do. And if there weren't anything in it for you, you wouldn't do it.

    There's a whole lot of things these liberal hypocrites could do that they certainly don't do. Because they don't really give a shit about anything but themselves.

    It would be convenient for liberals not to believe this at this point, as shady as Bill Clinton, King of the Liberals, is.
     
  4. 6-eyed shaman

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    How is calling fat woman fat sexist? How is calling an ugly woman ugly sexist? Are women supposed to be put on the pedestal and kept away from mean words? Are fat ugly men fair game for insult?
     
  5. 6-eyed shaman

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    Regarding the Sex Scandal, what happened was a leader in an organization (Bill) solicited sex from a lower level employee (Monica). I don't know about you, but in every company and organization I ever worked for, this would be a fireable offense for both parties. This is rightfully prohibited because a lower level employee should not be using their bodies to sleep their way up the corporate ladder, and no leader should be using sex to take advantage of employees.
     
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  6. Karen_J

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    You're looking for a politician with pure motivations? Good luck with that. It's a dirty business.
     
  7. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    Healthcare is not a human right. Go ahead, hate me for saying that. I don't care.

    Gimme a break. If Hillary was a man she wouldn't be anywhere NEAR as far as she is today.

    Also from the Huffington Post:



    And a little word from Philosoraptor

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    In 2006 writer and journalist Norah Vincent lived for a year disguised as a man. In the end, she preferred Female Privilege over male privilege.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip7kP_dd6LU
     
  8. Flagme15

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    The president doesn't make laws.

     
  9. Moonglow181

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    It is sad that Donald trump is as popular as he is.....Article in paper today says he says global warming is bull shit, but yet plans to build a wall to protect his golf course near the ocean from the rising ocean.....If this is what the American people wants.....I am out.
     
  10. Ja90

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    Except the sea levels have been rising at a fairly continuous rate the last hundred thousand years. This has been going on ever since the end of the last glacier period when these large glaciers that covered half of the United States and half of Europe started to melt. The reason there were native Americans in north America before it was discovered by Europeans was because there was a glacier connecting the two continents. That glaciers disappeared sometime before the beginning of agriculture and certainly before we started using fossil fuels!

    If you destroy every single car, factory, automobile, coal plant on the earth the sea levels would still rise - perhaps you can argue it would rise a bit less but it would still rise. Humans still do not have a mastery of the environment.

    It is not inconsistent for Trump to build a levee yet still not be entirely concerned about man made global warming.

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  11. The president is involved in the lawmaking process. I'm sure you realize this, so I don't know why you have to nitpick like this. It's really annoying.

    No, it's always true. Sorry to have to be the one to break it to you, but you're being judged based on who your chosen leaders are.
     
  12. Karen_J

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    That's true. Some Canadians treated me like dirt when George W. Bush was in office. It didn't matter to them that I voted against him twice; I was still responsible, in their minds.
     
  13. Flagme15

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    Well, I disagree. According to your reasoning, we should dislike all Russians because Putin is their leader. We should have disliked Britains because of Margaret Thatcher.
    What you are saying is all Iranians are no good because of the Ayatollah.
    Makes no sense.

    Wait. . . . You are only correct on one example, Texas. We know for a fact that the people of Texas are ignorant rednecks because of the governors, and senators they elect.
     
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  14. sunfighter

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    Not true. Yale University said in 2013:

     
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  15. Karen_J

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    It's wrong, but it does happen.

    My state's Democratic voting percentage dropped from 52% to 48%, and now it seems like everybody's saying NC has become a conservative state. Reality check: 4% is not a big change.
     
  16. Ja90

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    So what? Why are you scared over 1.5 mm more per year on average. Just look at the last 10 000 years and how much the sea levels have changed. If you look at the time from 14k years ago to 7 k years ago the sea levels were rising over 1.2 cm/year. This is recent history as far as the earth and the human race is concerned.

    This is how much the sea levels have changed over the past 20 k years

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    picture courtesy of wikipedia

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level_rise#/media/File:post-Glacial_Sea_Level.png

    There are far more pressing concerns that face humanity than whether the sea levels will rise another 30 centimeters in the next century - most of that is probably not attributable to human climate change, and even if it were so what?

    My baby boomer teachers drummed it into me that the world was going to hell that climate change was a huge problem and I spent the first 20 years of my life believing them, and as a little kid I was scared shitless. They had me believing that the sea levels will rise unless we get together sing kumbaya and remember to think and act green. After the school ended they'd drive home in their large minivans and gas guzzling SUVs, all funded by tax payer money. So it seemed they had a "do as I say not as I do" morality.
     
  17. scratcho

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    Climate change? Lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala--can't hear you-----------------------------
     
  18. MeAgain

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    But it was okay to have JFK, Ike, LBJ and all the others.....

    "And likely as not a pedophile"...got any proof there Toast, or are you just smearing again?
     
  19. AceK

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    I doubt Bill Clinton is a pedophile, but his wife is a scumbag.
     
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  20. Karen_J

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    What is your reason for not talking about Trump's controversial past?

    MSNBC has found in their archives interview footage from 1998 where Chris Matthews asks Trump about the possibility of running for President. Trump responds that the media would be all over him for all the women he's had, implying (maybe joking, maybe boasting) that he's been with more women than Bill Clinton. Social / moral conservatives also don't seem to care how many times he's been married.

    Looking at other businessmen involved in Trump's campaign, a number of them have been charged with and/or convicted of various financial crimes over the years. Why is there so little media attention? Trump has been a casino owner, so there should be some links to organized crime there, if anybody bothers to look into it. Casinos rarely if ever operate without organized crime involvement at the highest levels.

    It's time to stop giving this sleazeball a free pass on every moral issue just because he's a businessman. If the standards and expectations are that much lower, maybe conservatives shouldn't be considering a businessman at all. No more double standards!

    And what about the current Mrs. Trump? Do all Republicans consider her to be as pure as fresh snow? She posed nude, as a model. Where is the outrage from the fanatical church crowd?
     
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