Donald Trump

Trump said people crossing the border illegally were rapists, which a lot of people construed as Trump saying "Mexicans are rapists." I don't know about that. I think Trump is single-mindedly a capitalist businessman. I don't think he has deep theories regarding racial purity. I could be wrong. People are weird.

Bernie said whites didn't know what it is like to be poor. I may be biased towards Bernie, but I think this was more of a brain fart than anything. I don't think he was saying, "Ha ha black people are all poor!" I don't think Bernie likes that so many black or white people are poor.

Hillary called blacks that join gangs "superpredators". I don't like Hillary, so again I may be biased, but there is a question of whether or not she would use the same language to describe white gang members. Would she call neo-nazi skinheads superpredators? Maybe.

But what really bothers me is that Hillary is a beneficiary of a system that has institutionalized racism. I feel like a lot of gang members really feel they have no choice but to join the gang, or if they do have a choice, institutional racism is partly to blame for that choice. So for her, a Goldwater girl, to turn around and call these people "superpredators" does seem racist to me. Though she has such a silver spoon in her mouth that she may actually be blissfully unaware that she is being totally racist.

That's how it seems to me. I don't think she hates blacks either, but is a part of a racist agenda nonetheless. She simply doesn't know or care how her actions effect the least fortunate of people.

She was also a part of a skit that referred to "CP time" as in "colored people time". Again I think this is indicative of an institutionalized racism rather than a deep-seeded hatred for black people.

I'm not even sure the people who have implemented this institutionalized racism are racist, or if they are just businessmen like Trump, but perhaps more ruthless, who use racism to further their own goal of world domination.

 

Percentages matter to me personally because it makes me question why there is a higher rate of poverty in minority communities?

Percentages matter in general because they tell a more complete story than numbers.

I care that anyone lives in poverty, for the record. I'm white and i wasnt exactly born with a silver spoon in my mouth. But because i'm white statistically i have a better chance of reaching a higher station in life.

 

All white people are privileged, all non whites are victims.... Ok gotcha, I'll go jot that down so I don't forget.

Racism: noun
The belief that each race possesses specific characteristics or qualities
specific to that race that make them superior or inferior to other races.

Assuming that someone is in privileged or disadvantaged based on their own skin color.. Hmmm.. yeah sounds racist to me.

 

I didnt say that.

I said statistically speaking minorities are more likely to live in poverty.

 

I wasn't replying specifically to you directly. Mostly the accumulation of posts from multiple people after the white privilege flow chart. Pardon me for the confusion.

 

What if the "privilege" is genetic? That would make hating us for it a racist act.

On the issue of poverty though, I fail to see why it's somehow worse for non-white people. There are twice as many white Americans as black Americans living in poverty. So how it is worse for black people in the US if twice as many white people as them live in poverty?

Maybe it's a new math/common core thing that a fossil like me just can't grasp. Thankfully the web is full of government-supplied statistics on this very subject. But once again we seem to be drifting far from Donald Trump. What's really being weighed this time around is the resolve of establishment GOP politicians. I'm starting to think they plan to hand it to Trump so they can toss banana peels in his path for 4 years and drive him out with only 1 term.

 

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[SIZE=11pt]Not sure what you mean and Magna Carta was all virtually all about protecting the privileges of the nobility the peasants and serfs got nothing out of it, and the nobles didn’t treat their peasants any better (it took the economic changes and the black death to do that). [/SIZE]

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People with Norman names wealthier than other Britons : People with "Norman" surnames like Darcy and Mandeville are still wealthier than the general population 1,000 years after their descendants conquered Britain, according to a study into social progress

White people became advantaged from the beginning of North American colonization, it was open ground with many untapped resources, and it was mainly white people that were advantaged by it.

And also I don’t think many American realise that they are growing their own inherited wealth ‘nobility’. With incredibly wealthy families who’s riches come from passed on assets.

One of the oldest is probably the Du Pont family, descended from French nobility that moved to the US in 1800 it has been a wealth US family since (making a huge fortune selling gunpowder in the US Civil War) it has been the great survivor even when the heir is convicted a child rape
http://www.forbes.co....-well-in-jail/

The Rockefellers are probably the most famous, and there are the ones mentioned above trying to get rid of (or keep low) inheritance taxes. But there are obscurer ones like the Mellon’s (rich since the 1840’s) the present heir being Richard Mellon Scaife one of the biggest contributors to right wing causes and founder of the Heritage Foundation where he is vice-chairman.

The other thing is that the wealth gap has grown over the past 30 years and while the poor have remained poor it is the middle class and lower middle class that have felt that the most with their incomes falling in real terms.

That disaffection is bleeding into the support for Trump even amongst the middle classes (see my post above).

 

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Thing is that I (and others) have pointed out that - white privilege does exist, if in the sense that white people are socially and economically statistically advantaged.

You (and others) don’t seem to be contesting that.

That doesn’t mean ‘all’ white people in any sense (as I think you know but are ignoring for rhetorical reasons) what is apparent is that the US has an entrenched class/racial economic system the problem is that many on the right don’t seem inclined to tackle it through socio-economic manipulation.

The question is that classist or racist, in either case to me it would seem to be in opposition to social justice.

And I’m not even sure Trump has ever even thought about social justice.

 

Hippies so often talk about the Hot Political Summer of ‘68’ but if this Trump Rally is any indication, WOW! This is going to be a Summer to behold

Protests break out as Trump speaks in Southern California

COSTA MESA, Calif. — Protests broke out Thursday night as Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump brought his campaign to Southern California following his Northeast GOP primary sweep.
Raucous crowds of protesters took to the streets in Orange County as Trump, the billionaire real estate mogul who is close to clinching the GOP presidential nomination, gave a campaign speech at the Pacific Amphitheater.

Heated words were exchanged as Trump supporters clashed outside with counter-demonstrators.

Trump has drawn large crowds across the country as he has campaigned for the White House and some of his events have been marred by incidents both inside and outside these venues. The brash businessman on occasion has directly challenged protesters from the podium, saying they should be expelled.

On Thursday night, heated words were exchanged after people wearing expletive-laden anti-Trump shirts began to taunt people waiting in line to attend his speech at the Orange County Fairgrounds in Costa Mesa.


Hotwater

 

Seems you're talking to different people than I see in this thread. On which posts that came after your white privilege pc is this even based? Let's hear it.

I often feel your reactions come more from your associations than from what your discussion partners really say. Just like GeorgeJet you seem to make white guilt a bigger issue than white privilege.
Now, they both may be real issues but really guys, just because you dislike all this talk about white privilege doesn't mean people stating things about EVERY black or white person.

But in general they have a point. You are dismissing or distorting it for some reason. Maybe because you seen some people argue for or about it in a nasty way, like on campus or something but you should not project that on us here, or when you do at least be aware that's what you are doing....

 

Trump didn't say people crossing the border illegally were rapists. He specifically said a portion of them are racists but not all of them. But you're right that a lot of people misconstrued it to mean "Mexicans are rapists."

The problem with what Sanders said wasn't "ha ha ha black people are poor." Who suggested that? The problem is assuming whites don't know poverty when there are millions of whites much poorer than blacks in the ghetto. Just look at Appalachia.

Referring to gang members as superpredators isn't racist.

Why do people always defend the Michael Browns? Why not find someone worth a damn, someone wholesome and clean, to defend against alleged racism? Why are we now defending thugs? Is it the soft bigotry of low expectations?

Hillary was in a skit where she referred to CPT or colored people's time. And this is racist how? It was a totally innocuous joke that black people circulate and apparently endorsed if they had Hillary do the skit.

At this point calling people (or their comments) racist is so overused that it rings hollow. It's like the boy who cried wolf. All people will have to say now is that they're not PC or that the person is SJW, so that even if they really were being racist, people will no longer believe them.

 

What about Asians, who take an average of 16 years to go from poor to upper middle class? Where are their excuses?

 

Yes actually, when you say the very words "White Privilege" you are talking about an entire race of people as if they were all then same and had the same traits and advantages over everyone else. THAT is the whole point of the claim, that white people have it "easy" in life for JUST being white. That is prejudicial and racist on it's face. By the way, so is the term "white guilt". Guilt is just guilt, it has no color.

 

A trump supporter does donuts around anti trump mexican flag waving protesters just minutes from my house in orange county.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0HxDFV-gSk&feature=youtu.be

 

trump protesters acting like degenerates, smashing police cars, attacking people who were waiting to get into the trump rally. gee, i wonder why nobody wants these people here



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDtaLdgoz7Y

 

There is as much of an agenda behind the protestors (not individually but the driving force behind them as a whole) as there is behind the pro-trump circus.

 

pls explain what you mean PR. i mean melai

 

Lol.Well i'm not sure about the protests happening around your hood but i know ol' billionaire George Soros had a heavy hand in organizing the one in Chicago that caused such a ruckus.

 

It was just a Trump rally in Costa Mesa by the OC Fair Grounds and people were peacefully waiting to get in but later in the night a whole bunch of hoodlums showed up and started causing a scene. You seemed so sure that there is some "agenda" thats why i asked you to explain.

 

You dont give your Rat friend this kind of grief!