Donald Trump

Discussion in 'Politics' started by newo, Aug 21, 2015.

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  1. TheSamantha

    TheSamantha Member

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    Think about it: why WOULD all those people vote against their own interests? You really think that's what's going on? Gimme a break.
     
  2. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    When the media attacks Trump, it gives him anti-establishment cred among his flock. They want people to see Trump as anti-establishment, and that is precisely where his popularity comes from. The attacks against Trump have made him as popular as he has become. I don't believe for a minute that the guy is anything more than talk. The guy isn't going to win, and if he does he is going to be like every other politician that betrayed their promises after being elected. People are so fucking gullible. Presidents do not run shit. Trump would not be allowed to do half the shit he is claiming he will. Do you think the people pushing for global government really want to stop the immigration crisis? I don't see Trump winning, but at the same time I could see the real controllers using Trump to push a fascistic agenda simply because he gets people riled up and in a reactionary state of mind.

    I feel that Hillary and Bernie Sanders are equally dangerous, if not more in many ways, but they do not have the same kind of cult of personality that Trump does.

    Regardless of who wins, this country is already toast, as is the entire world.
     
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  3. Meliai

    Meliai Members

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    Of course people vote against their own self interest, is this a real question? There is a very common school of thought in this country that the working class are poor as a result of people who are even poorer than they are. Poor people continously vote for politicians who will punish the people who are slightly poorer than they are, rather than bother concerning themselves with CEOs who make 400 times as much as them and hide all their money in offshore bank accounts all the while accepting government subsidies to further help their profitable business.

    It is insanity.
     
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  4. newo

    newo Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    TSam, you have a habit of asking questions and offering no answer of your own. So tell us, why would poor people vote Republican?
     
  5. tumbling.dice

    tumbling.dice Visitor

    Lower middle class whites vote republican because their ideology is more important to them than their self interests. The republicans are anti-abortion, anti-gay rights, pro-gun rights and espouse fundamentalist christian values. These are all issues that resonate with lower class whites. This same class is also suspicious of anyone different than them, i.e. non-christian, nonwhites, immigrants or whatever. The republicans are seen as being against these groups of people.
     
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  6. Beutsecks

    Beutsecks Large Rooster

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    What's really amazing is how many millions of people you so readily slap down with all of those media stereotypes. How is your bigotry better than anyone else's?
     
  7. scratcho

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    People vote against their self interests because when the republicans continually say they are going to cut and they do cut programs---those mentioned foolishly believe that the cutting means MORE for them--more in their paltry paychecks. You can call that bigotry if you wish to do so---I call it astute, empirical observations. Some groups are very easily stirred up and fooled,IMO. You bombard a population with right-wing talking heads for a few decades and you get what we have now--a discourteous, disgruntled under class of fools that believe that republicans will somehow help them get that elusive AMERICAN DREAM! Never mind history. Never mind the recurring monetary hijacks of the monied class. Never mind that dozens and dozens of companies pay no taxes, due to loopholes, off shore stashes, instrumented by the very people the fools believe in.
    You can say that this is wrong. But I'll tell you one thing--I was born in '39 and I'll pull some some old age rank on this one. Never, ever thought this country could be GUTTED like it has been.
     
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  8. scratcho

    scratcho Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    The 'cabal' can HAND an election to a compliant fool, can upset the entire world economy, can rip millions of homeowners off, causing loss of their homes, can sell bullshit " legal" instruments to customers, then bet against those very instruments and make BILLIONS knowing that they would fail, can freeze government up and so, so many other transgressions against their own citizens-----etc-etc-etc- and yet---AND YET---

    Reminds me of the what the hologram said in THX-1138= "it happened so slowly, that most men didn't even know it was happening. " The fact that there is a Trump running should tell you something.
     
  9. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    There are different levels of consciousness, some are more developed than others. That doesn't mean the lower ones are worse than the higher, only that you have to pass through the lower to get to the higher. Unfortunately some people get stuck at one level or another. Lower class whites aren't given the same opportunities to evolve as higher class whites are. This doesn't mean all lower class whites are less evolved socially and psychologically and all higher class are more evloved, but the proportions are skewed due to the environmental factors. See Spiral Dynamics.

     
  10. Moonglow181

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    and not to mention many of them say that global warming does not exist.....and do not care jack shit about the environment.......one of my main concerns in any election.
    Big business rules again.....any Democrat with big ideas never stood chance, anyway, once they got into office on this issue, though.

    Business, as usual...until as Bernie Sanders says....the American people rise up and say ENOUGH!
     
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  11. scratcho

    scratcho Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    Seems as if we, as a citizenry ,would eventually tire of eating cake, while a few get steak and lobster. Guess not.
     
  12. GoingHome

    GoingHome Further Within

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    The circle jerk continues,
     
  13. *Yogi*

    *Yogi* Resident Racist

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    Ozone was a hoax, so is 'global warming' for the fact it's not causing anymore problems today as it did yesterday. Just a scare tactic that libbytards use to scam money! I don't give a flying fuck about the environment, was here many years before me, will be here for many more to come.

    If you want to eat steak and lobster, get off your ass and work for it! Sitting around on a fucking computer complaining about it will not help you! If you have seen this through many decades, it's obvious you sat on your ass and had many, many chances to aquire financial security! But much easier to sit around and bitch and moan about 'being oppressed'!
     
  14. Moonglow181

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    Thank you for illustrating my point about the environment so well.
     
  15. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    What science degrees do you possess Yogi? Do you have any data, or credible sources to validate your claim?

    Why don't you care about your environment? Do you realize that you can't live without a suitable environment? Have you ever seen the pollution a steel mill or glass factory can produce?

    Why do you use terms like "libbytards"? Is that supposed to mean something?

    What does steak and lobster have to do with the ozone layer and global warming? Do you know?

    Why do you think that those who follow the latest scientific thought sit on their ass in front of a computer complaining?
    How have you seen through "this"...whatever "this" is?
    What makes you think anyone who disagrees with you had many many chances to acquire financial security but found it much easier to bitch and moan?


    How old are you anyway?
     
  16. lode

    lode Banned

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    You're a troll, and don't respond to facts, so I'm not going to waste my time much on you. But your first point is inaccurate, global ozone depletion has increased,

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    http://acdb-ext.gsfc.nasa.gov/Documents/O3_Assessments/Docs/WMO_2010/Chapter_2.pdf

    So is your second. I'd give you more information if you desire.

    How financially stable are you by being a troll Yogi? Or do you have a day job?
     
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  17. Meliai

    Meliai Members

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    Oh, so you're one of those people i refer to as stupid and short sighted - like, "humans are going to destroy the very environment that sustains their life because humans are stupid and short sighted. "

    So very nice to meet one of you....

    Dont you have a child? do you not care about your children and future grandchildren having access to clean water and air?
     
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  18. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    Yogi isn't for real. He's gotta be a sock-puppet account spewing the most negative right wing stereotypes to get a rise out of people on here.
     
  19. newo

    newo Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    So basically it's religion that makes poor white people vote Republican. Religion really is the opiate of the masses!
     
  20. Tyrsonswood

    Tyrsonswood Senior Moment Lifetime Supporter

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    In a way, yes that is true. At least in some (many) instances.

    My Father is a devout Catholic. He would never vote for someone that was not Pro-Life, ever. No matter what else their politics stood for, if they support abortion they would never get his vote. On the flip side, if they wanted to over rule legal abortion but were a complete idiot otherwise, they would get that vote. Similar support comes from other Conservative Christian sects.


    EDIT: to add, my Father isn't poor, but white and a Republican... 2 out of three ain't bad.


    Notice how abortion, and gay rights issues come to the forefront during an election cycle. Those two issues get a lot of votes for the Republicans... After the voting is done, they could care less and go on to other "main issues".
     
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