Donald Trump

Ok to explain what I was trying to imply in my post 998

I don’t think Rat has changed his views that much he has just tried to disguise that because he can’t defend them from criticism.

He could explain his right wing libertarian ideas but he really can’t explain his other disguises (third wayist, anarchist, primivist) because it would soon become apparent that they were basically right wing libertarian in nature.

Thing is that he knows you get a certain amount of kudos for been an ‘anarchist’ or ‘primivist’ here, for as Billy puts it for ‘thinking outside the box’ which you just don’t get for being another right wing libertarian jerk.

I mean I could say I was an anarchist but from what I subsequently said in any debate people I think would begin to suspect that if I was I was of the left wing variety, and then they may begin to think I was lying when I expressed my views on Keynesian economics or the role of good government in bringing about social and economic change.

That was what happened with Rat when he began claiming he was ‘not of the left or right’ and then when he became anarchist if he debated or explained he revealed the truth - since then Rat gets out of that dilemma by just not debating, and that is why there is nothing recent to quote.

He is not some type of romantic anarchist but just a grubby opportunist who really wants to criticise the ‘socialist’ he hates without revealing just how crap his own right wing ideas are.

As I said Rat is a dead end.

Now can we please go back to Trump?

 

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It’s not a haystack is just a Google search away, have you never explored the wonders and possibilities the internet has opened up to research?

Yes - on the internet

I was there so I did read them so yes a lot of the treads I was in I do remember as I do with the others I’ve been involved in. Don’t you?

I enjoy history and studying there would be little point in that if I just forgot things I’d read.

I post here for fun and knowledge, I don’t have much but yes this really is just a spare time thing

Well if you think having fun and using Google is creepy?

 

Ok, last thing about this. If we inventarise a person's opinions regarding politics we can almost always conclude they lean more to the right or left side of the political spectrum. How useful is that? Sometimes not useful at all. When certain people (who obviously are dissatisfied with the whole political system) state they're neither left or right affiliated/supporting I think we at first can just assume that is the case.

 

Asmo

Yes and I could claim I was neither a supporter of left nor right BUT from what I subsequently said in any debate where I honestly presented my views people I think would begin to suspect that I leaned to the left.

Assuming people are what they say they are on the internet is something kids are taught to be wary of these days.

That nice boy your daughter has met on the internet the one that wants to meet her ‘somewhere private’ could be the 13 year old in a wheelchair he claims to be or...

 

A new national poll released Tuesday has found that a majority of the Republican Party is living in a strange and dangerous political fantasyland.

“Our new poll finds that [Donald] Trump is benefiting from a GOP electorate that thinks Barack Obama is a Muslim and was born in another country,” Public Policy Polling’s analysis said. “Sixty-six percent of Trump's supporters believe that Obama is a Muslim to just 12 percent that grant he's a Christian. Sixty-one percent think Obama was not born in the United States to only 21 percent who accept that he was.”

Not only did PPP’s analysis find that Trump’s lead was growing—it is now 29 percent—it also found that the second most popular Republican is one who has not criticized other candidates: retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, who has 15 percent. The rest of the pack is all under 10 percent: Jeb Bush (9 percent), Carly Fiorina (8 percent), Marco Rubio (7 percent), Ted Cruz and John Kasich (6 percent), Scott Walker and Mike Huckabee (5 percent). Walker has fallen the most, compared to last winter when he was leading.

The biggest takeaway from the PPP poll is that a majority of the Republican Party’s base is living in a right-wing bubble where facts don’t matter—and it has become increasingly acceptable to publicly voice racist positions because the leading presidential candidate is modeling that behavior.


[SIZE=11pt]http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/nationwide-poll-majority-republicans-have-nakedly-racist-worldview-and-trump-has-found[/SIZE]

 

That is VERY OLD NEWS. It is dated September 1, 2015. But I grant you that Trump supporters are still delusional.

 

http://fortune.com/2016/03/23/trump-nuclear-weapons-isis/

What a fucking nut.

 

Trump wants respect and seems to have no understanding how the world regards a threat to use nuclear weapons. I'm sure W wanted respect by invading Iraq. Didn't work out too well.

 

You could take almost any view (political or otherwise) and label it left or right. So who gives a fuck? The fact is I do not vote (haven't since 2004 and don't plan on doing so again), and I do not belong to any political party or organization. So why should it fucking matter if my views are right wing, left wing, or a chicken wing? I could not give a fuck less if you think I am right wing. I have long made it clear that I despise liberalism, socialism (same thing as liberalism), and just about every other -ism (including conservatism). So if that makes me right wing in your eyes, I don't care. Trust me, it's not an insult to NOT be considered a liberal by your or anyone else. That doesn't mean I think so-called conservatives are any better, but if you want to paint me as a right-winger, why should I care? I will be the first to admit that I would rather live under a minimal, decentralized, constitutional government over a bloated, unaccountable socialist bureaucracy ANYDAY.

It's funny you're asking people to go back to the original topic, when your stupid ass is the one who derailed the thread in the first place by focusing on what your think my political ideology is. You really come across as a person who doesn't quite have all their cards.

The fact is is that you have a problem with me because I do not share your political ideology. That is your problem and your problem only. I don't care, and neither does anyone else reading this thread. Get over it!

 

You're aware voting doesn't make you left or right either, huh Rat?

I mean, this:

was my point as well. But not voting is not helping anything change for the better either (on the contrary). This is why it is such a pity that a lot of people who are pissed off at how things are now (understanble) are not all doing something more positive and constructive with their vote (which they really could).

 

How is voting important when it always boils down to the lesser or two evils, both of which answer to the same masters? Do I really think things are going to be better or worse if I vote for Trump or Hillary? Well, I already know it will be worse, regardless of who wins, because that is the way it has always been. Therefore, why is voting important other than for the fact that is what is beaten into people's heads? The only real purpose voting serves is to make the public think they have a say in things. I already know that it doesn't. Voting for for a dirtbag because they appear to be slightly less bad than the other dirtbag is still a huge compromise to anyone with a modicum of integrity.

 

I think many Americans seem to think the US is not as respected as it once was (– to me that would beg the question why).

Is that old thing about being respected because you’re thought of as dangerous or respected because you are admired?

 

It doesn't have to boil down to these 2 turd parties. If every apathic voter would use their vote on a different party (not even to get a candidate in the white house) you will be suprised how politics are forced to change.
No, why would an american vote for Clinton or Trump if they acknowledge the '2 party system' sucks? There are other options, they just don't get a chance because you're all apathic and believe no change is possible. Why would an american not vote at all? I don't know, because they're apathic losers who don't care about what happens? Maybe you can explain why you think not voting is better than trying to make your vote count.
Just because you know most other americans will either not vote, or spend it on one of these two complacent parties who knows its fifty fifty every goddamn time, doesn't mean you're acting really smart. You're not doing anything.
It's not about only YOUR vote, imagine if every hopeless american voter would do something different with their vote. If enough people do it the political system HAS to act on it. Or it shows you're not living in a real democracy. I would say if americans really cared put this to the test. Not voting seems not caring at all to me. It's waiting for something worse to take over.

 

You are terribly mistaken here. That's merely how it feels being in american democracy right now (I understand why you and others have this feeling. It's either democrats or republican... for a large part due to people like you! Sure it is the people who vote for them that put them in charge, but it is also due to all those people not voting for anything else.. and nothing at all)

Your logic seems that because one vote (yours) can't make any significant change it is better to not vote at all. But it's all the votes together that decides the impact. The far majority doesn't look further than their own nose so to speak and keeps voting for (or against) one of these 2 parties. This is what makes it appear you and people like you don't have a say in things.

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Because the political system is not ideal/working at its best you don't wanna play at all. But how useful is that exactly? Isn't it better to take this very little effort and spend your vote on something/someone that is close to representing your ideals/views (even if they at first don't have any realistic chance of becoming the president for example)? Why is not voting at all a better option according to you?

 

To my understanding and experience, many Europeans think that Americans are a bunch of morons that believe in Creationist Theory, and are too stupid to understand the science that points to global warming.

...hmmm, I wonder why?

 

Many Americans are stupid about those things...but not ALL of us are.....but then isn't stupid thinking something that is world wide, too?

 

Sure, that's why a lot of people worldwide still wanna live in the USA jk moonie

 

That's ok....I might take off for Finland if this shit keeps up.

 

There are stupid people the world over. But fundamentalism and anti-science is dominated by Americans----it is particularly an American phenomena...