Donald Trump

protesters are like the popcorn peanuts in a shipping box, they only reinforce whats inside the jack in the box(trump).. and have no clue they will be thrown away in the trash..

 

EXACTLY!!!!!

People don't realize that all the idiot protesters are simply making Trump more popular by rallying his supporters behind him even more while creating more polarization. I would not be surprised if some of the protesters have actually been hired by Trump or people associated with him. Trump is feeding off all this contrived hate being generated towards him. They are taking the bait like the idiots they are.

Black Lives Matter and other such groups are nothing more than useful idiots of the establishment. Go figure, George Soros is funding these groups. Like he gives two shits about black people.

 

Let's lock Pressed Rat and Yogi in a room together and watch.

PR you talk about the real controllers, the people in power. Whether they're an organized conglomeration out to control society (as you believe) or a loose collection of really powerfully wealthy people who, independent of one another, flaunt their power and live above the law (as I believe), isn't Trump already one of them?

Then maybe you PR should support Trump. Fuck it, lets cut out the middle man. No more puppets in the white house, let's turn it over to the puppet masters. It will definitely cut the red tape

 

Trump is certainly very wealthy as an individual person, but that wealth does not go very far back when you compare him to elite families which actually pull the strings of the global economy and have wielded their power and influence over many decades and even centuries (as is the case with the Rothschild family). Trump is rich much the same way Bill Gates is rich. These are rich individuals, but the real power lies in families which have had control throughout many generations. These individually rich people are not that rich when you compare them to these elite inter-generational families like the Rothschilds and Rockefellers. They certainly have power and influence, but nothing like the people who control the big banks. As rich as Donald Trump may be, he has nothing on the people who control the Federal Reserve and other central banks around the world. These are the people which every president must work for. You don't become president unless you are willing to do as these people say. This is why even if Trump was elected, he would never be able to do many of the things he is claiming he's going to. I would not be surprised if Trump was to become the next president, but I expect him to stick to very few of his promises, much like Obama stuck to very few of the promises he made back in 2008. These people always talk a good talk when it comes to running for office, but as history should prove to anyone who truly follows what's going on, politicians lie.

 

That is fucking awesome, and it perfectly sums up what I was trying to say!

 

One thing that really pisses me off about liberals is that they focus on all the wrong things while acting like they're out to address the world's problems. The problem does not lie with Wall Street, but with the central banks (like the Federal Reserve) which print the money which runs Wall Street and is ultimately behind all the corruption we see. You could not have all this leveraging we have been seeing without the process known as fractional reserve banking, by which ALL currency/credit comes into existence as debt. Liberals talk about the 1% fat cats, but they rarely address the .01% which prints the money and owns almost all the governments of the world and all the world's natural resources. They own ALL the political parties, including the ones Bernie and Donald belong to. This is why neither of them will give you the full truth, but they will certainly tell you what you've been conditioned to want to hear by the media they too control.

 

SIGH. I knew it was only a matter of time before the conspiracy theorists took over this thread, I wonder what took them so long.

 

I hope you realize that they are voting for trump so that he gets the nomination. Once that's done they will then vote against him in the ge.

 

Does not compute...

 

Bernie said he only ran as a democrat in order to get media attention that he wouldn't have gotten as an independent, which is what he normally is. And as I stated in the other thread, he voted to audit the federal reserve. He constantly talks about breaking up the big banks, and he says Wall Street can't be called to order unless we audit the federal reserve.

 

Does anyone really think he still has a real chance? I hope so,
Gonna take a miracle for Sanders.

 

Oh my old friend Rat

I remember when he was a proud right wing libertarian but his problem then as it is now is that he is tragically (and often comically) unable to defend his views from criticism.

He for a time tried to claim he was - neither the left or right - but that didn’t work because he was so clearly right wing (I did say there was comedy in this).

I’ll put the conspiracy theory stuff aside like his belief Hitler was the illegitimate son of a Rothschild only mentioning it because it does seem to influence his extreme right wing viewpoint.

The whole Federal Reserve conspiracy theory is part of that, with its supposed Rothschild/ Jewish connection is tied up with the view that it regulates and manipulates the market, which goes against the right wing views that the markets should be ‘free’.

To quote Rat himself – “The very fact that the economy is controlled by a central bank that controls interest rates and the flow of money is proof enough that we do not have a true free market system, and haven't for many, many years. It is a system that is designed to confiscate the wealth from the people, returning it to the few in control of that system. This did not begin 5 or even 20 years ago. It began in 1913, with the creation of the Federal Reserve.”

The problem is that the FR was part of the progressive eras attempt to lessen the power of wealth by stopping the riskier, unstable, ‘freer’ markets that caused more pain on the poorer in society than the rich.

In fact US society was dominated by wealth and big business before 1913 (as it was up until the 1930’s when it lost a lot of that power through government intervention) it was the time of the Robber Barons for god sake

For example –

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Then there was the matter of campaign finance, whose force was most vividly illustrated in the 1896 election, arguably the only time between the Civil War and 1932 that a challenger to the country's ruling economic elite had a serious chance of winning the White House. Fearful of what William Jennings Bryan might do, the wealthy didn't crucify him on a cross of gold--they buried him under a mountain of the stuff. William McKinley's 1896 campaign spent $3.35 million, almost twice as much s the Republicans had spent in 1892, and five times what Bryan had at his disposal. And bear in mind that in 1896 three million dollars was a lot of money: As a percentage of gross domestic product, it was the equivalent of more than $3 billion today, five times what the Bush campaign spent in 2004.
Paul Krugman, Conscience of a Liberal, The politics of Plutocracy, page 23

So what are PR solutions well if you think right wing libertarian you are in the right area even if he will deny it.

 

Just because you can lump someones viewpoints in the right wing box doesn't mean the guy who has them considers himself rightwing or libertarian, and so it makes sense people would have to deny that (irrelevant) label. PR really seems apolitical in that regard.
On the solution(s) part: i wondered that myself too several times after he states how bad and shitty it all is, and I don't think he has one. But im not sure he ever claimed to have the solution (other then proclaiming that he favours some kind of anarchy, which i doubt. Some things only seem good in theory). To me that he doesn't have a solution either doesn't make his posts invalid. He does seem to charge/exagerate them though, which understandably asks for an explanation at times, or tend to ruin his whole point.

 

One or two just happened to make a post in this thread. They did not took over.

 

Asmo

Thing is - I think a lot of support for Trump is coming from people who believe (often angrily) that things are ‘bad and shitty’ but who really haven’t any coherent solution or even given it much thought.

Should that be accepted as a valid position and not be criticised?

To me a position is only valid if it can be backed up in some rational and reasonable way.

Because policies grown out of anger and unreasonable ideas are very likely to end badly.

 

Nope. And even if they have given it much thought or come up with some coherent solution i would still applaud criticism
Thing is not everyone who shits on the things PR does in this thread is right wing or a Trump supporter. We don't know his position (i don't at least, except that he seemed to favor some form of anarchy)... Many people who don't have a proper solution can very validly state why politics and the system (esp. talking about the american system) suck beartits. That on itself doesn't make them anything by default.