Donald Trump

Seems what is the good thing is subjective (as always). Although I agree using your vote is the good thing to do, on who to spend that vote is not an absolute given for everyone. Not saying that Bernie Sanders is a ridicilous choice AT ALL, but if he's in the camp of the 'lesser of two evils' nothing is gonna chance for the better for US politics in the long run. Next election will be the same 2 turds battling.

I am wondering why not more americans see a democracy where there's only one reasonable option to vote for every goddamn election as flawed. Are they really not aware that there are supposed to be more credible options than just one big party that looks reasonable and one that looks unreasonable (which one is supposed to be who merely depends on which camp they have placed themselves in... )

 

I don't like when people encourage others to vote for the "lesser of two evils" as an alternative to not voting at all. It just doesn't make sense to me. When you vote you should vote FOR someone, not against someone. Why not encourage people to vote 3rd party instead? This whole lesser of two evils, strictly two party system is what's wrong with American politics.

but otherwise, Bernie is cool. Vote for that guy.

 

It seems especially pointless when we realize that the actual reason a lot of these people stopped voting all together is because they became apathetic of this exact situation of 2 big parties always getting so much votes (for the wrong reasons) that it virtually renders any other option as hopeless, impossible or not worthy.

 

I don't think I have ever voted FOR someone, except Obama. All elections I've voted in since 1968 has been for the guy least harmful to my civil rights - All Democrats BTW.

I once voted for a third party candidate and am glad that my "thrown away" vote did not impact Jimmy Carter being elected. It was the first time a Communist was on the ballot in Louisiana so, knowing he didn't have a chance I voted for him anyway to show support. I think I may have voted Socialist Workers Party on a couple of occasions. Again a thrown away ballot, which is what voting for any third party candidate is.

That is why I am dismayed to see that Trump signed the agreement with the Repugnicants not to run as a third party. If he had, that would have taken votes away from the Repugnicants. It is a two party system - accept that fact or throw away your vote on any third party.

If Sanders had run as an independent, I would not be supporting him because it is just too fucking dangerous to let a Repugnicant win this election. That is why I am hoping that he is the Democratic choice.

OK, enuf my accumulated knowledge of voting reality - continue with your pipe dreams about the broken system and why you will not be a part of it.

 

I disagree. The way to improve the system is to attract the best, and brightest. Possibly from academia.
The other thing is to get money out of the game. Limit political contributions to $100/person.

 

One area where we have to agree to disagree (rare). I'm with Shale on this one.

Definitely, if somebody calls you taking a poll before the election, say you're going to vote for him. No downside to doing that. Also, making a small contribution to his campaign is a positive thing. It's good to put a scare into the top candidates. Make them worry a little, and work to get your vote. Don't hand them anything on a silver platter.

 

I do plan on voting for Bernie, at least in the primaries. If Hilary snags the nomination ill be voting third party in the election, probably Jill Stein.


I just feel like its somewhat ridiculous to vote for someone who doesn't represent your interests simply because the other person represents your interests even less.

 

???

Don't know this person.

 

she is running under the green party. I pretty much can't do anything on hipforums anymore, including posting links appearantly, but I believe her website is simply jillstein.com if you're interested.

 

just kidding. Its jill2016.com

 

I'm always curious about everybody during the primary process. That's the time to think outside the box. When the general election rolls around, that's when I get loyal to the party, for the reasons that Shale explained and I'm too lazy to retype.

 

trumpty dumpty sat on a wall ,, trumpty dumpty had a big fall..

 

I think we are all jumping the gun. The election is over a year away, and a lot can happen. In the end, I unfortunately see a republican winning the presidency.
My reasons why: Hillary may be in jail, and if not, people will just not vote for her because of her baggage.
I don't believe that Bernie can win the red states
I don't think Biden can win.

The demos need to come up with someone new, and fast.
If a repub does win, it will be dark days. Darker than when Raygun was pres.

 

Scary thot. Out of all the Repugicants running Jeb Bush is probably the only one with any qualifications to be president and he's a fucking asswipe like all the rest. (I know this from when he was governor or Florida.) Civil rights will take a hit on many fronts from any of the contenders, who are all religious fanatics of one degree or another. All of them, including Jeb will spend their time trying to unravel any gains for gay rights that have taken place in the U.S. in the last decade and try to implement a Christian version of Sharia Law.

With this Kim Davis farce, Trump is the only one who outright says she is wrong to think that her religious beliefs can allow her to abuse her government office. Even Marco Rubio who should know better, being a young politician living in a cosmopolitan city, makes excuses for her "religious freedom."

When I hear the idiotic shit that Huckabee and Cruz and Santorum say (and get approval of the relligiously blind masses) it scares me how perilous this nation has come to being a theocracy. It was bad enuf 60 years ago when I was a kid and these religious fanatics want to make it more of a christian nation than it was then. (I remember when stores in Missouri HAD to close by law on Sundays - churches were the only things open)

 

^it kinda freaked me out when Donald Trump came out and said Kim Davis needs to uphold the law of the land, like holy shit Donald is making sense and saying something I agree with??

 

You know the old saying, never say never. Also, a broken clock is right twice a day.

I've had similar recent experiences with Lindsey Graham.

Poor old Rick Perry made a recent comment about a broken clock being right once a day. I guess he learned to tell time in a private christian school in Texas.

 

I am almost sixty two. I remember the "blue laws" just not Missouri, but pretty much everywhere else.

 

Trump has the highest "unfavorable" rating of any candidate, at 80% of the electorate. Jeb can't even get 10% of the republican vote. There is way too many KKK bigots in the GOP for Ben Carson to get the nomination. None of the rest can get so called "Raygun democrats" to vote republican. They won't get fooled again. None of them can get the black vote or the Hispanic vote, and only 10% of the female vote. And the senior vote will not vote for the GOP to destroy Social Security.

Even though all the con candidates are lining up against the "Iran deal", Colin Powell has said it's a good deal. And the vast majority of this country is SICK OF WAR, and everybody knows that's what will happen if a con is in the White House.

All the GOP candidates stand for war with Iran, killing Social Security, killing the EPA, killing education, killing affordable healthcare, killing equal rights for gays,and less taxes for corporations. Republicans are on the wrong side of all of these issues for the majority of America.

The GOP has limited its voters to the wealthy bigoted white men.

 

So now Palin wants to be Secretary of Energy in a Trump cabinet.
Talk about fucked up.

 

Not just the wealthy white men, but the poor(and uneducated) white men, and women.
That is one of the problems in this country. People are off in their own little worlds, and don't know what's going on.
They are too interested in being entertained.

In regards to Trumps unfavorable rating, even if there is one thing people agree with him on, he will get their vote.