Donald Trump

I never said Hilary is a hero, and I have heard all of the rumors about B Clinton before....so prove it......but I will take Hillary over Donald any day of the week...i think you won't know what being blown to smithereens means until DT is in charge....

You think he is some kind of wondrous hero, do you?

Good for you....
You have a right to what you think, as do I.

 

You should really look up Syria.

Hillary Clinton doesnt personally kill babies

But dead children in Syria are a direct or indirect result of American foreign policy -not JUST America, there are other nations with their greedy little hands in the conflict too, and of course a million different rebel groupa, but America is certainly involved amd responsible for the death of civilians

And Hillary advocates for getting more deeply involved in this war. I recommend looking up her position on a no fly zone and exactly what that entails.

 

Why? If he's found a cre then he's found a crime. No pressure from the right wing is needed.

Are you kidding? They were all over Trump with his locker room talk and his immigration policies and they hardly mentioned anything about the scandals of Clinton.

 

You realize that we were never a democracy to begin with right? We are a constitutional republic. And it's funny that you say conservatives want to take away rights. Who's the group advocating gun rights? Who's the group advocating jobs? Who's the group advocating the protection of innocent life?

 

*crime.

Yes there have. Why are there so many suspicious deaths around the Clintons?

 

Mel

Syria is a cluster fuck mess up and to just single out the US involvement seems a bit unfair but how we have got to this point has involved US foreign policy decisions going back years from the over throw of Mohammad Mosaddegh in Iran in 1953 to the by way of the support for the mujahedeen in Afghanistan to the Iraq occupation it can’t be blamed all on Hillary.

I think the foreign policy of the Obama admin has been rather cack handed BUT the alternative here is Trump

 

The old Russian Soviet Union was a constitutional republic, republic just means not a monarchy and constitutional just means it has a constitution – the thing is that a constitutional republic doesn’t have to have democratic elements in it.

When large portions of the population were excluded from voting and slavery existed in the US it was still a constitutional republic.

I often get the impression that people that point out the US is a constitutional republic don’t particularly like the democratic element within the US system, I remember one that that was quite open about wanting to bring in a property qualification.

 

Hey, I am one person who thinks the USA should get out of everyone else's country and mind our own business...Like we don't have enough of our own business here to mind. i always said that....
It is one of my pet peeves in real life, too....busy bodies....
Someone once said...you can see what happnes on a larger scale by looking at things on the smaller scales...

With that said, there are no heros in politics....Everyone has their own agenda....Bernie came the closest to being my hero in politics, but we were cheated out of knowing someone in office that might have been great....but he is fighting for Hillary, too, now, on the campaign trail, as a surrogate. that tells me something. It tells me that he thinks Trump would be bad news, too...

After weighing my grievances of both cadidates we are looking at now....the scale tips in favor of Hillary as far as i am concerned. ...and that is not saying an awful lot.

 

I rarely have time to sit down at my computer and engage in lengthy debate, i do feel the subject warrants a lengthy and serious discussion but i'm on a mobile device so you'll have to forgive me if I only touch upon a few points.

In regards to American foreign policy - i am against nation building, dictator toppling interventionist world policing. I am against endless war in the middle east. I am against escalating anything with Russia, surely you must understand the cost of escalating military tension between two world superpowers.

I'm not going to cite other countries involved and their policies. Do your own research

In regards to your last paragraph, as I've said before I dont support America's role in toppling dictators and changing governments.Do you feel America is solely responsible for taking out Assad? Did you feel the same during the Bush administration with Saddam? Somehow i doubt it but maybe you'll surprise me with a lack of hypocricy.

Do you really believe the US's intentions in Syria are pure? Do you think we are there to stop an evil dictator? A bit naive if so.

Have you done any research into the two potential pipelines routes that will run through Syria? Or why do you think Russia and the US are waging a proxy war in Syria?

I understand there are a lot of players on the Syrian stage. I understand Clinton isnt singlehandedly engineering the conflict. But i do think she will escalate our presence.

I am not singling out the US, but I am an American. And therefore our presence weighs on my conscience. And it scares me to be frank.

I have one more thing to point out, not really in response to anything said here but as a general observation. Your outrage to the Russian's alleged i volvement in the email leaks is adorable, considering you are American. Your own country is guilty of the same. Your own country is guilty of regime change through violent force in some cases. Does this bother you? Or is it only bad when other countries do it?

 

The fact of the matter is that Americans don't get to vote on these issues. Would Americans have voted to go into Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan? I seriously doubt it, but none of us got a chance to vote on it at all. It was foisted upon us by our government. The same government that keeps failed and destructive policies, like the War on Drugs going for generations now.

Have you noticed how it relaxes when the country is mired in combat somewhere? The medical marijuana advances in California happened on GW Bush's watch. He was too busy being a global asshole to worry about stoners at home. Resources were cannibalized from every national entity to support his war buddies.

Hillary has made it obvious that the gates to the nation will be flung open when she wins the top seat. Trump says just about the opposite and is predictably labeled as a racist and Hitler. I wonder how the American people would vote on the issues facing the nation if they were granted the privilege by our lords and masters in Washington. The ones who send our children into combat for dubious "gains".

 

Well you seem very enthusiastic about her.

On the contrary, I do know what being blown to smithereens means. I don't think you Clinton supporters quite do though, as that is what is happening to little children around the world because of wars Clinton endorses. Yes, it's REALLY happening.

How many times do I have to express my contempt for Donald Trump? Do people in these threads just not pay any attention to who is saying what?

Okay, well, then by that token, Donald Trump is just being accused of rape as well. So let's stop bringing up the fact that both of these men are being accused by multiple women of attacking them, because, naturally, women are just hungry for attention and their rape allegations are rarely true, right?

What, are you going to argue with me about what the definition of "shame" means? How very Clintonian of you.

a) Yes, I am. b) Yes, I am. c) No, I'm not.

Actions have consequences. If you're too fucking stupid to be aware of the consequences, you shouldn't be performing the actions. Does Hillary not realize that when she fucks around in these other countries they end up turning into quagmires? I think she does. I also thinks she doesn't give a damn.

Maybe it's all for American national security, but then I say god damn national security. We can't allow ourselves to become complicit in the murder of little children. You talk about it flippantly, like, "Oh, no big deal, just casualties of war." Do you understand what it's like to be a parent who loses a child? Or a brother who loses a sister, etc.? The pain we cause around the globe isn't something we can afford, and yes, Clinton has been complicit in the carnage to an extensive degree.

What is a hero to the American people? Whatever CNN says is a hero.

A candidate for the presidency of the United States is, ideally, a hero. Or that is what we are led to believe from the history books we read in school.

So I think the fact that Hillary and Trump are candidates for president gives us a clear indication of what constitutes a hero these days. The media won't allow us to celebrate a real hero. Tens of thousands of people turned out to support Bernie Sanders, and the media showed us forty-five minutes of Trump's empty podium.