Does the military belong in schools?

Even "percentage wise" you are wrong.

According to the Coast Guard, just over 1900 Coast Guardsmen lost their lives in WW2, and only 574 of those were killed in combat. That is less than 1%

In Vietnam, only 7 Coast Guardsmen were killed according to the US Archives. Some 8000 served in Vietnam, which comes out to less than 1% again.

 

Where would the military -industrial complex get its cannon fodder if not for the youth? We cannot confiscate resources around the world without a steady supply of true believers.

 

Scratcho,

I agree. It's too bad that the kids in JROTC don't fully understand the concept of underhanded recruitment techniques for the purpose of acquiring cannon fodder. Even worse, the ones who end up enlisting will be unaware that they'll be supporting the murder of foreign women and children, and the destruction of their countries.

Before being enrolled in the JROTC "program," the kids should first be taught that the Bush regime was told by weapons inspectors that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and that the U.S. regime they'll be serving, should they enlist, decided to bomb the shit out of innocnent Iraqis anyway, creating hundreds of thousands of dead people who were not Saddam Hussein, and making millions of others homeless in their own country, and that just as the weapons inspectors had said, there were so such weapons found. I'm sure that all but the hopelessly indoctrinated adults will agree that JROTC enrollees deserve to at least be told that.

 

Sig,

You should have been more specific, and not rely on others to infer or decipher your meaning. Someone claimed that enrollment was voluntary. I said that there are cases of this recruitment tool being employed involuntarily. You asked for examples of instances of involuntary enrollment. You didn't even bother to look for them. When someone brought them to your attention, you decided to move the goal post by suddenly requiring time-specific examples. You shouldn't become impatient with others for their failure to infer what you merely implied; that's your failure, no one else's.

And what's with the "puddle pirate" remark? It really comes across as the kind of self-absorbed highschool football team bravado bullshit that one wouldn't expect from adults.

 

You're right, I was wrong to assume people had a basic understanding of grammar, specifically when it comes to the usage of "are" vs "were".

You claimed there are examples, not were. In this case, the way you worded it carries the implication of present tense. So when examples were given of past cases they didn't jive with what you claimed. If you meant there have been cases in the past when you should have worded it differently, such as; there are examples of it being involuntary in the past. Again, though, my mistake.

As for the puddle pirate remark, I wouldn't expect a civilian to understand.

 

Guns in schools seems really crazy to me, but then I live in the UK and have never been to America.

I've never even seen a gun other than possibly at an airport, and outside the US embassy.

 

From what I understand about JROTC units/chapters, firearms are not handled or stored at schools.

 

Ah ok sorry, I don't know much about this particular case. I just remember similar things where guns were used patrolling school(s) in America.

Was it to encourage high school kids into the military? I can't really watch vids atm.

 

i was in the rotc when I was in high school. it didnt prevent me from cutting classes, getting into fights or dropping out, however the Army later helped me get my GED and then they trained my ass for 6months to take us out to the desert to serve bottled water to dune coons.. thats my story.

 

Sig,

And now you're trying to pass off your failure to ask for recent examples onto others who have done nothing but provide you with the examples you asked for. Any other angles you'd like to try?

EDIT: There are cases of involuntary enrollment. To state that there were cases would be to imply that they may no longer exist. But they do exist. Grammer is one fickle bitch . . . in the wrong hands. Your exact words to me were, "You claimed that it is used involuntarily sometimes. All I want is an example." In the context of your statement, "sometimes" encompasses instances other than the present, or it wouldn't be called "sometimes." Had you omitted the word "sometimes," then your meaning would have been clear, but you didn't.

And it doesn't take specialized understanding to know that your "puddle pirate" remark reflects the kind of self-absorbed highschool football team bravado bullshit that one wouldn't expect from adults.

 

I do feel like America is too pushy on the whole military and patriotism thing.

It's a shame because I do like America, you guys are really good fun and make some great stuff (The Daily Show, tons of awesome films, Breaking Bad, etc etc) but... I think you should lighten up on the army and patriotism stuff >.<

 

But, if we lightened up on the army and patriotism, this image wouldn't be 100% true



And anyone is who anyone knows:

america is number 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!1!!!!11111

 

this is the week for it..

 

yeah lol

It can be a bit... intense haha

But I do like the US!

Sometimes I just chat to American people and it's like:

GOD GUNS WAR GOD GUNS WAR GOD GUNS WAR GOD GUNS WAR GOD GUNS WAR GOD GUNS WAR GOD GUNS WAR GOD GUNS WAR GOD GUNS WAR GOD GUNS WAR GOD GUNS WAR GOD GUNS WAR GOD GUNS WAR GOD GUNS WAR GOD GUNS WAR GOD GUNS WAR GOD GUNS WAR GOD GUNS WAR GOD GUNS WAR!!!!!

And I'm like

 

Here is another "sometimes" from June, 2010 concerning Jefferson high school in San Antonio, Texas.

In the fall, Jefferson will begin requiring all incoming freshmen to take at least one semester of JROTC . . .

A plan to boost fine arts offerings across San Antonio Independent School District high schools has angered parents at Jefferson High School, where the Grammy-recognized Fine Arts Magnet Academy is scheduled to be phased out in four years.

The shifts are part of a long-range facilities plan and will allow for more robust course offerings across the district and improved academics and leadership at Jefferson, where incoming freshmen will be required to take JROTC starting this fall, district officials said.

. . . Parents and students expressed strong objections to the changes. One parent was quoted saying, "I don't think we need any of our students or sons and daughters dying in wars that we don't even belong in." Another parent said, "Militarizing this school, it's a bad idea."
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http://peaceoptions.blogspot.com/2010/06/replacing-arts-magnet-program-with.html

 

YouFreeMe,

Your post "The world according to Americans" is quite humorous.

 

I know that some schools have a school liaison officer from the local police department. He or she, I am sure, is armed. At my school growing up he was only there a day or two every week. There are some schools, however, that have a police officer (or more) on duty at all times. All examples of that I have heard of are inner city schools.

 

still dont believe that the military should be in schools..these kids are beginning their life..they dont want/need to be brainwashed and then sent to a foreign land to kill people in the name of America..it is so stupid, wars..how is it right to take a 15 year old boy and teach him the military/patriotism and their history and have them wear their uniforms, with all of its symbols, history and flashy medals and encourage them to enlist in the real military and make something of themselves and their life, but then teach them war, how to kill other humans..and be expendable.
As the fat cats in D.C. are eating fat steaks and toasting each other..ole johnny 18 year old is running patrols in Bagdad, getting shot at, witnessing things that will never be erased, maybe even killed..and that fat cat in washington who made the decision to send him there to be killed, dosent even know his name, does not even care..who would when your making 180 k a year..livin the high life..

FUCK war and the Military, they serve no purpose in the world I would like to live in..too bad it is not that way..kill, kill, kill..that is not the answer. Why?

 

no respect

 

Does the military belong in schools?

Generally speaking, I say YES
Better in the classroom relating the importance of SELF= Discipline, Sufficiency and Development .... than on a Bloodied Battlefield
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((Unless they are wearing a Blue Beret))