Does the KKK have a right to Free Speech?

what kinda country is this if I can only hate a man if hes white??

 

Anyone can speak freely, some may object and some may be afraid to speak.

 

I'm totally for ya tipsygypsy. The Klan went to far especially with all the murders. Personally I the the Klan is just a group of damn haters but I don't know any Klan members so I'm not sure what they're like personally.

 

You would not like them any better if you knew them.

 

Well in this case the gov't should be able to.

 

No, they shouldnt.


But you live in Australia, one of your states just made it illegal to post commentary on the internet on the upcoming election and politics in the state without revealing your real name.

We highly treasure the right to free speech.

 

Everyone deserves free speech. Dont be a hypocrite now.

 

they deserve free speech, but I still can't stand them.

 

I always heard that my rights stopped where the other guys nose began!

 

And hate speech, evidently, see how much good that gets you.

 

Nobody in this world has the right to free speech.

Pick your country and look it up, in every case there are laws on the books that limit this so called 'right'.

For those who like to claim the US is all about free speech, I suggest you actually read what your billl of rights actually says;

This only prohibits the government from passing laws that limit free speech. Even with this clause, the government makes many laws that limit it.

From hate speech to advertising laws, to obsenity laws, there are many exceptions where the government, despite the bill of rights in the US, make laws that limit this.

 

A lot of good actually. Hate speech is banned in Germany and France yet they seem to have much more neo nazi activity then us. Same goes for Australia with race relations.

 

There obviously are instances where ones freedom of speech is, or should be, limited. The problem is that too often laws are created which are so vague in their definition that they leave much to be interpreted, which often allows them to be misused on a case by case basis. I believe that yelling "fire" in a crowded theater is against the law, but what if the theater was actually on fire? In both cases there is a risk of causing injury to persons as a result. But in the prior case, the simple fact that yelling "fire" could result in injury unnecessarily, but so could yelling "bomb", "snake", or some other word which might produce thoughts of imminent danger.
Everyone should have the right of free speech, but at the same time they need to recognize that they will be held accountable for what their speech produces. If someone were to say they hate me because of my skin color, I would simply ignore them and walk away thinking what an ignorant person they were. At the same time, if they were to physically assault me or coerce others to do so, it would matter little to me why, but instead it would be what they did that would matter most. Hate, I can live with, but physical violence is something else. I don't believe even government can control the thoughts of individual minds, but their actions must be.

 

Where did you see someone saying that people shouldn't be allowed to think those things?

It's when they take a public stand and preach the hatred that they cause the most damage.

That is the issue being discussed here, not what people may or may not think.

As for being held accountable for what they say, when does this happen without people standing up and shouting that their 'rights to free speech' are being infringed upon.

The idea of 'freedom of speech' is a great one... the implementation of it is anything BUT great.

 

1. I didn't say I did.

2. Don't listen if you don't like what they say, and what is the damage you claim that they are causing?

3. The issue? "Does the KKK have a right to free speech?" Certainly, and most often one's speech begins with what one thinks. Have you ever seen where someone committed a violent crime, and when persons who knew the man/woman were interviewed they said "He/she always seemed like such a nice person." Know your enemy, and one way is to listen to what they say.

4. Although it's somewhat unclear what you intended to say, persons are held accountable for what they say based on the effect of what they say.

5. How do you see freedom of speech being implemented? How do you think it could be better implemented?

 

1. Yes you did, in fact, you were the only person in this thread that I saw who mentioned what people were thinking.

2. The damage they are causing is the continued spread of hatred. If you don't qualify that as damage, then there is nothing else to discuss on the matter.

3. Once again, you are linking what a person thinks to the issue of free SPEECH...

4. Really? Has Ann Coulter been charged with inciting hate? Has Glenn Beck or any of the others who are trying to make any and every issue about race?

5. In this world... not possible... too many people think they have the right to say anything with no backlash from it.

 

1. Is this what you are referring to? "I don't believe even government can control the thoughts of individual minds, but their actions must be."
I made a statement, but are you trying to infer that speech has no relation to what one thinks?
2. You appear to feel that hate speech only increases the number who accept it. The other possibility is that it identifies those who hold such feelings showing that they are idiots.
3. Of course I am, do you speak without thinking? Essentially free speech is the freedom to speak out on what one thinks. Too often it's the fool who opens his/her mouth without thinking.
4. How does Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, or race become relevant to the question of "Does the KKK have a right to free speech?"
5. You've obviously misunderstood what I've said. While I do support the right to speak ones mind, essentially what they think, at the same time I've stated that they must take responsibility for what they say, should it result in harming another, or in the case of the crowded theater or similar situation, the possibility of causing harm. I've not yet seen proof that hate speech increases hate, although I do feel that those who think similarly levitate towards it and those who don't levitate away from it.

 

1. At no point in time did I say speech has nothing to do with what a person thinks or vice versa. What I said quite clearly is that what a person thinks, has nothing to do with the issue of free speech.

You and people like you are why free speech can never work on this world, because you don't even have the intelligence to read what a person says without making up your own shit to go along with it.

As no point in time did I infer the speech and thought were discconected, until now... with people like you, there obviously is no connection between thought and speech.

2. That's why hate speech no longer exists.... oh wait, it DOES STILL EXIST!

3. Once again, what a person thinks has nothing to do with the ISSUE OF FREE SPEECH. Do yo need that in a different language? A different font? What? maybe a different color?

4. Because they like the KKK spew hate speech all the time.

5. No, I have understood exactly what you said, which is that you have no clue what is being said by anyone else, only what you imagine it to be.

6. this is a bonus number just for you.... we're done, I am tired of arguing with idiots who make up thier own shit instead of reading what people say

 

Do you have anything to back that up? And please, Australia treated the indiginous like crap, but we never enslaved them. And that's a weird theory anyway, you're saying there's a correlation between not having the right to hate speech and the amount of racists that result from it?

that's really weird, it's the opposite. Hate speech encourages hate, if there isn't any, people won't be exposed to it. Obviously there are some people who will develop that mindset anyway, but not letting them spread it is the best thing we can do.

 

Please, Australians are probably the most racist people in the white world, yes, even compared to the southern United States. Do I have evidence besides anecdotal? No, no one has yet to do a let's see how racist your country is poll. Like damn all aspects of the white Australia immigration policy didn't even end till 1973