does it REALLY bother you that our (USA) image has been ruined?

I can agree with what you're saying, but people need to look more towards the controlling factors versus the people themselves. Most people don't understand America's role (not the American people's role) in what truly is a global system at the top. So it's easy to point the finger at America instead of realizing the bigger picture. Your leaders are no less globalist minions than ours. It's just that Canada's role in all of this is different from America's, even though at the top it's all the same big money interests running the entire show. That's why people like Harper support the SPP, even though the Canadians are staunchly opposed to it. It's the same way here in the US with Bush.

And to the others... yeah, I am well aware we're all being indoctrinated, regardless of where we live. The thing is, the people saying this seem reluctant to look at themselves and their own beliefs. They simply want to point the finger at other people, cultures and religions. It's not any one group of people. Everyone needs to wake up.

 

Everybody indeed needs to wake up, yet no one wants to wake up.

How do we approach this from a more practical standpoint?

 

Yet you ignore the ongoing atrocities committed by Israel, which brutally murdered Palestinians (and still does) and stole their land. See, this is where your brainwashing shows.

 

I dont think these organizations sell sun glasses for that price, i might join if they did

And you are absolutely right about the utter ignorance, its utter ignorance combined with the great Global/US/Jewish conspiracy

 

On the other hand there is this...
By all means take the militants out, but why the collective punishment?

 

That's only if you're an idiot and swallow whatever the media has told you to believe. It wasn't militia groups. The government MURDERED dozens of men, women and children at Waco IN COLD BLOOD.

OKC has federal fingerprints all over it.

Try looking at the facts before swallowing everything you've been told to believe.

 

It’s not what the government says or doesn’t say, it’s your inability to accept what is offered at face value :H


Hotwater

 

If anyone wants to know the truth about the OKC bombing, they can start by watching the news footage from that day as the events were unfolding. You see, the bomb squad was removing bombs FROM THE COLUMNS of the building. This was admitted live on TV by the FBI. Later, the story changed and it was a truck bomb, when government explosives experts like Bentin K. Parton have said that no truck bomb could have caused that amount of damage to the Murrah Building.

Also, look into the ATF agents who were tipped off not to come into work that day, while the children in the day care were left to die an awful death.

 

Or your self-imposed brainwashing which tells you that the land belonged to the Palestinians or that the "Palestinian people" even existed before 1948.

Stop spewing bullshit at me and then calling me brainwashed.

Israel wouldn't have to kill palestinians if they'd stop housing terrorists who purposefully target innocent civilians.

I do not even know where you get the conception that I'm brainwashed from. I don't recall being told that the Palestinians were the bad guys when I was a youth in Israel. We're actually taught diversity in our schools, and I had arab friends in my youth. I did not live my teenage years out in Israel, and have a rather informed perspective of the situation. I do not agree with all of Israel's tactics, and refuse to participate in this war which I percieve as completely idiotic.

I will not get into this debate with you Matt. I refuse to get into this debate with Americans who are just simply too ignorant to understand the situation in the Middle East from their throne of eternal comfort and peace here in America. You do not know what war feels like, you do not know what being hated just for being born Jewish feels like, so honestly... don't give me that shit.

 

On oil



Its "gonna run out" every time theres a fall out with the Arabs.
Like now , the 1970s , Suez crisis etc

I think its all bullshit that its fossilized plants ,some scientists say its just part of the earth's outer core cooled down - hydrocarbons.So theres prob 1000+ years of it , dependent on ease of access

 

You know, I'm not going to participate in this debate per se. I just want to register how incredibly incongruous and uniform the views of most Jews are on Israel, as opposed to the rest of the world.

It really amazes me.

 

Because 9 out of 10 times, what is offered at face value are LIES!! They depend on a public that doesn't ask questions. Please look into the events that transpired around the OKC bombing. The evidence speaks for itself.

Even Congressman Charles Key, who headed the investigation into the OKC bombing, says there are government fingerprints all over what happened that day.

I highly doubt Timmy McVeigh planted those bombs on the columns of the building by himself, let alone had such access to the building. But wait, wasn't it a truck bomb?? Well, yeah, that's what they told us the following day, after the story changed about five or six times.

McVeigh was just another Oswald.

 

Well, I think everyone wants the American people to wake up. All people for that matter. It's a difficult task to focus on waking up people but yet try to figure out what image you are projecting to the world.

One of the main reasons why people have lost respect for the USA, its image and the people is because Bush was re-elected. I know, most people hate Bush as it is and are opposed to him as a leader in the USA. But a large part of the concern non-Americans have for the people of the USA, is that they are a lost cause and cannot be woken because of the institutionalized systems of apathy and corruption choking them.

It's not all roses in Canada, sure. But change comes from a collective of people, and that is why the American people have naturally become a target these past couple of years.

I'm not saying that it's right to target anyone for the actions, lies and corruptions of the government - but I do think it's okay to criticize the people that are holding it up as a collective, and why.

 

Because no one other than Jews realizes how much Jews have suffered and how irrationally hated Jews are.

Hmm... nevermind. Ask a really old black guy about how it felt like to be black in the first half of the 1900s. You will find a lot of similarities between the answers.

 

Jewish people do own hollywood and lots of banks. So we have to watch shitty movies, and our money gets stolen from our pockets.

thats the extent of my jewish discrimination.

 

in my own experiences, I've found this to be a half truth. most of the younger secularized American jews I've met seem estranged from Israel if anything. I'm half Jewish and don't self associate with Zionism at all.

 

Re Arabs ,
Well I can only talk about the ones Ive come across.
Fraudulent , arrogant and disdainful full of silly kidology games.
That was just how they did business.Maybe they didnt like me being white , maybe they thought I was part of some Jewish thing.My other white friends said the same about them - but British Muslims I knew got on with them.
( Hmmmm.....)

I didnt say "all arabs" or most arabs are wankers.
I cant see how you can "find this rhetoric appalling"
I am demonstrating how its often better for races to keep apart if theres no common values or way of working together- ie the bullshit of extreme globalism.
Would you prefer I lied and said "Ahh yes Al Rahman was a lovely guy who made me feel really welcome and was thoroughly honest and didnt try and rip me off at all"

As it happens most of the English toffs Ive come across ,I didnt like either
And 2 of the most vile people I ever met were Jewish.
So am I racist against everyone in your book?
Or just racist against the people I found to be twats.

 

Actually, you won't. Forget it though.

 

Read up on your pre-1948 Jewish history.

You might be surprised by the ridiculous amount of persecution.

 

Yeah, I can see the secularized American jews who are like that.

But I also see secularized american jews with VERY liberal tendencies, who are wholly supportive of everything Israel.

It's incongrous as hell. It's like, they are hawks ONLY concerning that particular issue.