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Pardon?

Ever heard of a guy called 'chemical ally'?

So what are you actually saying? 30,000 plus civilians were killed by Nato intervention or that 30,000 plus people died in Libya - by various actors involved. I'm not trying to catch you out, just trying to work out what you are actually saying.

 

All I've claimed is that the country's Health Minister says that 30,000 are dead as a result of NATO attacks.

And yes, you used Western media to back your position. When I used the same thing to back my position, you should have come to the conclusion that Western media is not a good source, or that you must at least cross-reference what you take in.

Here's a video to explain why Libya was attacked:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rKe-g5LH8U"]Why did NATO attack Libya? Pourquoi l'OTAN agresse-t-il la Libye? - YouTube

 

You did not make that clear. I think you are just making things up now. Please quote were she said it was a direct result of Nato Intervention.
Some responsibly has to be placed elsewhere.

I appreciate that.

Some say this. Some say that.
RT is the conspiracy theorist of broadcast media.

 

Iraq was attacked for the same reason as Libya. And Iran will be attacked for the very same reason. Did you not understand what that video was about? Are you unaware of the issue of the petro-dollar? I'm sure you'll be surprised to find that anyone who doesn't want to deal in U.S. dollars gets attacked. It has little to do with anything else.

I said 30,000 people were killed. What else did I say?

 

There's liberal and fascist media in this country. FOX is right wing, the rest make a lame attempt to present both sides. They employ both left and right wing journalists. Example, MSNBC has Joe Scarborough a former republican congressman, and they also have Martin Bashir on the left. But all U.S. media promotes the U.S. government agenda. For instance, all the media fooled everyone in to following Shrub into the Iraq invasion. The media now is promoting the distrust of Iran and their nuclear program. Yet they try to justify Israel's nukes, because the Jews are the staunch U.S. puppet.

The U.S. government is the BEAST that enslaves the whole world. The Media is the FALSE PROPHET that fools the whole world into following the BEAST. And Romney is set to become the ANTICHRIST that will send the whole world down to perdition.

"It's easier to fool people than to convince them they've been fooled." Just look at the Iraq war, and the Germans during Hitler's rein.

 

I have heard of that theory before. I have never quite understood it, to be honest. The U.S spends billions upon billions of dollars on a war. Cripples it's own economy. Reduces it's quota of oil by millions of barrels a year. Plunges itself into a recession. All so that a country (or countries) continue to sell oil by the dollar. It's all rather bizarre.

I think you said the Libyan interim government health minister has stated that only Nato troops had killed atleast 30,000 civilians. (No quote has been provided yet).

I should clarify that the 100 figure I spoke of was referring to the civilian death toll attributed to Nato air-strikes. I was not saying only 100 civilians died in total. I'm not sure if you picked up on that.

 

30,000 is the estimate for the total amount of deaths in the entire conflict. Amnesty puts civilian NATO deaths in the dozens to hundreds
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/MDE19/003/2012/en

and why oil is dealt with in dollars is simple. There is no other currency able to take on a global prominence. The Euro didn't exist until the 21st century, even with the Euro though hard currency reserves around the world are still made up by near 2/3 dollars. The US is the world's single largest importer(not of just oil, or almost everything, we're the top export destination for almost 70 nations), our financial sector dominates the entire world, we're the largest foreign investment receiver and investor, most importantly, the global financial system has come to rely on US Treasuries as a safe and stable investment. So much so that in 1999 they actually had to research what would happen if the entire national debt was paid off since it was at the time expected it might be paid off by 2013(lmao), and they realized no matter what the US would actually have to keep some sizable amount of debt for global financial transactions, otherwise it would be the shock of the century to the world's financial system. On top of it all, the US has spent the past 140 years as the largest or one of the largest oil producers on the planet. Even right now we're still #3 behind Russia and Saudi Arabia. There is no conspiracy here except for people desperate to find one.

 

I was looking for that link. Thanks.

 

NATO is just a clever way of putting America at war, without technically putting America at war. The UN isn't some great "World protector," but a super world BULLY government system. They use "humanitarian" ideals to go to war with undeveloped nations to control their resources!!! Also, recently, everything is being done through the UN and NATO. What happened to going through congress and declaring war?? The fact that there are still Obama supporters out there, really blows my mind. He's exactly like Bush was but more secretive and more tyrannical!

I'm not one of those crazy conspiracy theorist that believes Obama isn't a citizen, or he's the antichrist or something. But I truly believe our president is a sociopath.

I mean, we're talking about a guy who has no guilt to the extent of "joking" about drone striking little boys he doesn't want his daughters dating, and it's OBVIOUS he has superficial charm because people agree with everything he says, and all the bad stuff he does people say "Oh well he didn't mean that. He loves us remember? He smiles and reads from the teleprompter and reads all of that rhetoric of hope and change for us, and that's all we really need isn't it?? a fairy tale ending for our nice little Hollywood story. "The government was corrupt, but then we elected a black guy who fixed EVERYTHING." Well, he's fixing everything.

In fact, Barrack Obama just said Mitt Romney wants to start ANOTHER war in the middle east. But yet, in the very same article Barrack Obama says "We're trying to bring democracy to the middle east," and "There may be bumps in the road." That coupled with his drone strikes, bombing Libya and, sanctions of Iran. We all should KNOW where Obama really stands on this issue. I just wish people would wake up and realize that there's no significant difference in the two candidates, and Obama is a puppet of the very Banks that Bush was, and they're bankrupting our country and getting very rich.

 

Would you say Iraq is an undeveloped country? Do you think the U.S is in control of Iraqi oil? Do you think the Iraqi government is legitimate?

 

By comparison to the United States or Europe, yes.

To some degree we're in control of all of their oil. Afterall we're buying it for worthless pieces of paper that we declare "Currency." But I don't think we're (currently) stealing their oil, just taking advantage of a bad situation. Plus our Iraq war created a lot of Al Qaeda in that country as well.

I don't know of many, if any, governments which are legitimate.

 

I don't think the U.S (or US oil companies) is/are buying that much from them. I thought the U.S was aiming for energy independence.
Why would the U.S spend billions - a trillion isn't it? just for a tiny amount of oil it could have sourced elsewhere, or drilled for themselves.
I know there is a piece of this puzzle I'm missing (to get where you and others are coming from) but I can't seem to find it.

 

Lol well it's the military industrial complex dude. Bankers and oil industries want war because it makes them a lot of money.Therefore it becomes Americas "special interest." Basically, they don't mind spending tax payers money, as long as it benefits their company. That's why we've been seeing the greatest transfer of wealth from the lower 99%, to the top 1%. There are certain people who get rich off of different government policies. This is the land of the free, corporations. But I don't blame capitalism, only people who skew it and government to manipulate the economy and money supply.

 

I think you are a very cynical young man - but I appreciate where you are coming from.

 

Lol with all due respect, I tend to disagree. I am optimistic about the laws are founders established to limit the government. I'm also optimistic about the future of this country as I feel that people are slowly becoming aware of the silent lingering problem. But I do thank you for throwing me a bone as I'm sure I could possibly come off as "radical," and hit a nerve with a lot of people. But I never understood that really, because I always try to be polite, and discuss things civilly but many people can't do that. So it was a nice chat man.

 

I appreciate your consistency. It is refreshing.
I can't always respond to all your comments because they do go beyond my logic.
But It's always worth reading your posts.
I also try to be polite, and discuss things civilly. It was a nice chat.

 

Hahah... truth.

 

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You do not listen to candidates enough.