does it bother you that the military is having urban warfare exercises

it burns it burns

 

all i can say is if this country continues to move at the pace it has for the last 20 years towards a police state,by the time you kids that "dont care what us nuts have to say" are my age,you wont have any freedom left.

so keep on poo pooing what we have to say,your the one who will have to live with it,my time on this earth will be done ,one way or another,before ill live with it.


BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

 

I don't know what bothers me more- the fact that our country is taking baby steps toward a police state or that so many people, who in sufficient numbers could do something about it, seem contented that they'll never be affected by it and are happy to marginalize those with the guts to point it out as insane- essentially helping power brokers on two fronts- 1- it perpetuates the perception that disagreement with the activities is un-American and unpatriotic- helping to characterize those in dissent as terrorists- justifying their potential indefinite detainment and 2- it enables the erosion of our freedom and rights to continue by offering the protection of silence that a police state needs.

 

It already happened on march 21, 2002. George Bush took over the world. Most of the population was killed in World War III. The rest that were captured (you) are hooked up to a machines to feed them power. Your memories and lives were erased and a program was created that creates a fake world in your brain. Some of us avoided capture and live in the jungles of Canada and the frozen plains of Africa. We fight every day for our lives and yours. We have special factions that travel underground and unhook a select few of you from the machines. So one day you may wake up in a bed in south america and realize how the world really is. It is now the year 2056.

Good luck and science be with you...

 

couldnt have said it better...

 

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8067


"The power of the Executive to cast a man into prison without formulating any charge known to the law, and particularly to deny him the judgment of his peers, is in the highest degree odious and is the foundation of all totalitarian government whether Nazi or Communist."

-- Winston Churchill, Nov. 21, 1943

​

Since 9/11, and seemingly without the notice of most Americans, the federal government has assumed the authority to institute martial law, arrest a wide swath of dissidents (citizen and noncitizen alike), and detain people without legal or constitutional recourse in the event of "an emergency influx of immigrants in the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs."

Beginning in 1999, the government has entered into a series of single-bid contracts with Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown and Root (KBR) to build detention camps at undisclosed locations within the United States. The government has also contracted with several companies to build thousands of railcars, some reportedly equipped with shackles, ostensibly to transport detainees.

According to diplomat and author Peter Dale Scott, the KBR contract is part of a Homeland Security plan titled ENDGAME, which sets as its goal the removal of "all removable aliens" and "potential terrorists."

Fraud-busters such as Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Los Angeles, have complained about these contracts, saying that more taxpayer dollars should not go to taxpayer-gouging Halliburton. But the real question is: What kind of "new programs" require the construction and refurbishment of detention facilities in nearly every state of the union with the capacity to house perhaps millions of people?

Sect. 1042 of the 2007 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), "Use of the Armed Forces in Major Public Emergencies," gives the executive the power to invoke martial law. For the first time in more than a century, the president is now authorized to use the military in response to "a natural disaster, a disease outbreak, a terrorist attack or any other condition in which the President determines that domestic violence has occurred to the extent that state officials cannot maintain public order."

The Military Commissions Act of 2006, rammed through Congress just before the 2006 midterm elections, allows for the indefinite imprisonment of anyone who donates money to a charity that turns up on a list of "terrorist" organizations, or who speaks out against the government's policies. The law calls for secret trials for citizens and noncitizens alike.

Also in 2007, the White House quietly issued National Security Presidential Directive 51 (NSPD-51), to ensure "continuity of government" in the event of what the document vaguely calls a "catastrophic emergency." Should the president determine that such an emergency has occurred, he and he alone is empowered to do whatever he deems necessary to ensure "continuity of government." This could include everything from canceling elections to suspending the Constitution to launching a nuclear attack. Congress has yet to hold a single hearing on NSPD-51.

U.S. Rep. Jane Harman, D-Venice (Los Angeles County) has come up with a new way to expand the domestic "war on terror." Her Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 (HR1955), which passed the House by the lopsided vote of 404-6, would set up a commission to "examine and report upon the facts and causes" of so-called violent radicalism and extremist ideology, then make legislative recommendations on combatting it.

According to commentary in the Baltimore Sun, Rep. Harman and her colleagues from both sides of the aisle believe the country faces a native brand of terrorism, and needs a commission with sweeping investigative power to combat it.

A clue as to where Harman's commission might be aiming is the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act, a law that labels those who "engage in sit-ins, civil disobedience, trespass, or any other crime in the name of animal rights" as terrorists. Other groups in the crosshairs could be anti-abortion protesters, anti-tax agitators, immigration activists, environmentalists, peace demonstrators, Second Amendment rights supporters ... the list goes on and on. According to author Naomi Wolf, the National Counterterrorism Center holds the names of roughly 775,000 "terror suspects" with the number increasing by 20,000 per month.

What could the government be contemplating that leads it to make contingency plans to detain without recourse millions of its own citizens?

The Constitution does not allow the executive to have unchecked power under any circumstances. The people must not allow the president to use the war on terrorism to rule by fear instead of by law.

Lewis Seiler is the president of Voice of the Environment, Inc. Dan Hamburg, a former congressman, is executive director.



Global Research Articles by Lewis Seiler
Global Research Articles by Dan Hamburg

 

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8037

A public-private partnership program on infrastructure preparedness and protection run by the Federal Bureau of Investigation allegedly has briefed its corporate members on the possibility of martial law and the use of lethal force, according to an exclusive report in the magazine The Progressive.

"One business owner in the United States tells me that InfraGard members are being advised on how to prepare for a martial law situation—and what their role might be," writes Matthew Rothschild in the Feb. 7 report, quoting an anonymous whistleblower on the program. "'Then they said when—not if—martial law is declared, it was our responsibility to protect our portion of the infrastructure, and if we had to use deadly force to protect it, we couldn’t be prosecuted,' he says."

Rothschild's report details InfraGard, a program set up between the FBI and a number of businesses engaged in maintaining elements of "critical national infrastructure," such as agriculture, banking and finance, the chemical industry, defense, energy, food, information and telecommunications, law enforcement, public health, and transportation. The program's 23,000-plus members provide information to the FBI and in turn receive privileged information from the FBI on threats to infrastructure.

In one case, Rothschild expalined, InfraGard members appeared to get details on a threat to California's bridges prior to then-Gov. Gray Davis. The California governor was informed by his brother Barry, a banker, of the danger potentially faced by the state's residents.

"I was on the phone with my brother, who is an investment banker. And if he knows, why shouldn’t the public know?" Davis' former press secretary Steve Maviglio quotes the governor as saying, according to Rothschild.

The FBI called accusations of deputizing businesses to shoot-to-kill in emergency situations "ridiculous."

“If you want to quote a businessperson saying that, knock yourself out. If that’s what you want to print, fine," a spokeswoman for the bureau told Rothschild.

Global Research Articles by Michael Roston

 

nooo,, there not targeting americans,martial law isnt just over the horizon..

we are just a buncha alarmists..

SHEEEEEEEEEEPPPP.....

WAKE UP BEFORE ITS TO LATE!!!

 

Thanks for those sources HHB.

 

i would just like to know how all this is just coincidence?

oh i could go on about the invasions of privacy there taking part in to amass this database of "possible terrorists",however it would probably fall on deaf ears as well.
however i could show proof of that as well...

oh hell while its right at my fingertips..

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8074

The US Congress has taken steps this week toward passing a bill that would expand government spying powers while granting immunity to telecommunications companies that participated in violations of the law.

On Tuesday, the Senate voted to permanently extend the so-called Protect America Act, originally passed in August 2007. The bill passed by the Senate includes everything demanded by the Bush administration, including immunity for companies that participated in the National Security Agency’s illegal warrantless domestic spying program.

The Bush administration is seeking to place the NSA program on a firmer legal footing by pushing through changes to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), which requires the government to obtain a warrant whenever it intercepts communications involving US residents.

The Protect America Act includes these changes, but the bill is set to expire on February 15. For this reason, the White House, and leading figures in both the Democratic and Republican parties, are pushing for a permanent extension.

The Senate bill received substantial bipartisan support, passing by a vote of 68-29, including 19 Democrats. By a similar margin, the Senate rejected an amendment that would have stripped the bill of the immunity provision.

Among those voting for the bill was Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Jay Rockefeller, who last year received $42,000 in campaign contributions from AT&T and Verizon. Democratic presidential candidates Barack Obama and Hilary Clinton made the strategic decision not to vote. This meant that they were not on record opposing the bill and the telecommunications companies, but could still posture as opponents of the Bush administration while on the campaign trail.

On Wednesday, the House of Representatives voted to reject a bill sponsored by the Democratic leadership that would have provided for a 21-day extension of the Protect America Act. The rejection of the temporary extension opens the way for the House to consider the Senate’s permanent extension.

The House had earlier passed a version of the bill that would expand spying powers without including immunity for the telecoms. On Wednesday, the House Democratic leadership sought to prevent the Senate version from reaching the floor, knowing that it would pass with significant support from within the Democratic Party itself.

On Wednesday morning, Bush once again engaged in fear mongering to pressure the House to pass the Senate version. “At this moment, somewhere in the world, terrorists are planning new attacks on our country,” he said. “Their goal is to bring destruction to our shores that will make September the 11th pale by comparison.”

Bush insisted, “The lives of countless Americans depend on our ability to monitor these communications.” He said he would not accept any temporary extension by the House, demanding immediate passage of the Senate version. “The House’s failure to pass the bipartisan Senate bill would jeopardize the security of our citizens,” Bush declared.

On the question of immunity, Bush said, “If these companies are subject to lawsuits that could cost them billions of dollars, they won’t participate; they won’t help us; they won’t help protect America.”

There are currently about 40 court cases against these companies that the Bush administration wants to get thrown out. Major financial interests are involved, and the telecommunications companies have campaigned hard to have the immunity provision included.

Perhaps as important as the immediate interests of corporations such as AT&T and Verizon, however, is the precedent that the immunity provision will set. The Bush administration wants to make sure that corporations that cooperate with the government in violating the rights of American citizens will be immune from future prosecution.

There many ways in which the government has sought and will continue to seek corporate cooperation in carrying out actions that are in violation of law and the Constitution. With the immunity precedent, companies will more freely participate with less concern that they will have to fend off costly lawsuits or make financial settlements.

Kevin Bankston of the Electronic Freedom Foundation, which has sued AT&T on behalf of its customers, noted to the Boston Globe, “When an over-reaching executive wants to conduct illegal spying in secret, those companies are the only ones in a position to say ‘no’ and ensure that the law is followed. Therefore,” he added, “it’s critical that when they fail to follow the law, they need to be held accountable—to ensure that next time the government attempts to engage in illegal spying, those companies will say ‘come back with a warrant’.”

The civil liberties lawsuits are one of the last avenues for investigating exactly what the NSA program involved and what the government continues to do. Democrats in Congress have refused to carry out any investigation into the Bush administration’s illegal activities, while lawsuits against the intelligence agencies have been suppressed by invocation of the “state secrets” privilege. If the lawsuits against corporations are shut down, this will mean that these activities will continue to be carried out completely in the dark.

Both the House and Senate versions include a broad expansion of executive power to intercept communications in the US and abroad, though the House version included a few more restrictions. The original Protect America Act gives the president the authority to intercept communications broadly, while only requiring the highly secretive FISA court to certify that the procedure used to select targets would exclude US residents.

The president also was given the authority to intercept communications in which one end of the communication is “reasonably believed” to be outside the United States.

Perhaps most importantly, the act requires telecommunications companies to open up their domestic networks to the government. The argument used to justify this measure is that even communications between two targets outside the US can pass through US networks, and therefore the executive branch requires access to these networks.

The effect of this measure is to legalize the massive spying on domestic telephone calls and emails. Such programs have already been in effect, and some telecommunications companies, including AT&T, have reportedly opened their entire networks to the NSA. The law passed by Congress would give a legal imprimatur to this shredding of the Fourth Amendment protection against unreasonable searches and seizures.

While objecting to the immunity provision and certain minor aspects of the legislation, no section of the Democratic Party disputes the central premise of these measures—that they are necessary to protect against terrorist attacks. In fact, the “war on terror” is being used as a pretext to expand the ability of the government to monitor domestic political opposition.

Even in the areas where the Democrats disagree with the White House, they are not prepared to use their control of the legislature against it. The Republican minority in the Senate, by contrast, routinely makes use of the filibuster and other delaying tactics to block passage of measures they oppose—torpedoing last week an extension of unemployment benefits beyond the current 26-week maximum. The Democrats, despite having 51 seats in the Senate, well over the 40 required for a filibuster, have never used this power against any demand of the Pentagon or intelligence apparatus.

With majorities in both houses of Congress supporting immunity, a final bill including all the demands of the Bush administration will likely pass this week.
Global Research Articles by Joe Kay

 

also,to answer someones question about why i didnt start this thread in politics?

because quite frankly number 1,people being blind sheep has nothing to do with politics.
number 2, the powers that be control both sides of the aisle they are all working together against us therefore there is no political solution to this crisis we as americans face,
number 3,i wanted to see how concerned your average sheeple was about what was happening around them..
and judging from many of your comments here id say not very..

 

There needs to be meatier discussion here anyway. The government's systematic erosion of our rights and freedoms affects everyone, not just those interested in politics.

We've been so desensitized by government scandal and corruption that it's easy for stories like this to slip under the radar even if the mainstream media didn't suppress it... which it does. RT membership represents the masses and seems to be about pop culture as much as anything else. It also represents the insidious apathy that has stunted our willingness and ability to think for ourselves. Like sheep we tend unquestioningly graze on what's fed to us assuming incorrectly that it's good for us. By not paying attention we provide the stealth and cover that the dictatorship feeds on and by standing idly by and willfully ignoring the warning signs it seems that most of us will deserve what happens.

 

ya know i really dont know what the answer is,what i do know is that without the masses waking up there is no answer..

i truly believe we are on a timer and time is running out..

once the events are set in motion from what i understand we will have less than 3 days to react then they will have complete control over all food,fuel,the monetary system,water supply's, the whole shebang..

the plans are all in place in the event of whatever "disaster" they deem necessary large enough to have people ignore the first faze of the deployments,then its to late..

they already had there trial run with katrina. the military did go door to door confiscating weapons,and not just from the poor black folks. yes even in affluent white neighborhoods..

scary shit to me man..

you ever hear of the georgia guide stones??

oh the illuminatti and the new world order aint a conspiracy..scary shit man..

 

What people need to do is look OUTSIDE of the system. Most people talk about going to the polls to vote for the candidates THEY give you to vote for. Because people are conditioned to parrot whatever they hear on TV, they laughably call this "change." It's a complete and utter joke. Before anything can be done (and the time to take action is running out fast), people need to understand what's really going on and who controls what. People are so conditioned to take sides that they become reactionary and fail to see the big picture. There is no left and no right, it's just the way they divide and conquer the people so they are at each other's throats instead of uniting against their common enemy. At the top there is no right or left. Both sides are controlled by the same few people, and those few people are working towards the same agenda. I am not talking about the average person, but the unseen few at the top, who use the dialectic to play sides of against one another to create the DESIRED OUTCOME!

 

desired outcome = extermination of 4/5ths of the worlds population.
im pretty sure i dont fit there criteria for bein one of the lucky 1/5th,sadly neither will many of the people who help to accomplish the first phases of the extermination...

 

Yes, that is the desired outcome of their agenda. An 80-90% reduction of the world's population.

 

i'm enjoying entirely too much the doping effects of the internet though. what's up with all the brain wave action coming in through these things? and now i have one with a camera built in. mostly i just pick my nose for the man.

 

The man would rather have you picking your nose (preferably not eating it) rather than spreading dissention and mistrust against the government



Hotwater

 

speaking the truth,stating facts in a supposed free society is neither in my opinion...

 

i'm ingognito.