Does God Exist?

Yeah, let's....It is all about the numbers, isn't it? I have had my head beaten with it....I will give you that....but.... I have news for you....metaphysics does not follow numbers ...so out the window it goes...LOL

 

i do believe you can.welcome to the real god squad ha! ha!:love:

 

Love you, Roamy! Hey, when are you going to have that castle party? I never forgot.

 

lovu2 moon.soon.we'll have it soon.

 

Well I'm clearly the evil one, ever so hostile against God and religion (and believers). Isn't it plainly obvious? Oh wait, no .. I've got that all mixed up. I'm "evil" because I have rosaries and crosses in every room of my house, offer Testimony of prayer and the biggest testimony of all is my love of God. TOTALLY evil, lmao.

Anyway, I'm not sure what you believe. On one hand, you say the God of your understanding is .. absent of governance. After my reply, you have something a bit different to say. I could explain the meaning of the Sign of the Cross to people (which is governance itself) but it might be too damned evil for the truly Faithful among us. Gee, I got that mixed up again. It might be too scary for the demonic and the unbelievers.

One of the reasons people continually profess the goodness of God is because so many people are so terrified that it drives them mad and leaves them without any understanding at all. The lack of *love* of God leaves them trembling in terror.

 

I wonder if we are saying the same thing. A painful cry or a scream of terror or a scream of delight are all adequate to the task and are recognizable primal expressions. Proto language can be broken down to vowels and consonants and need take no particular form at all apart from the confines of the shape of anatomy.

I think it is only the locus of consciousness that is hard to place because we are confused by our level of identification with the body.

The thought comes first. If you remember this there is no order of difficulty.
We share our thoughts, not meaning our thoughts are separate but only our focus. We are conceived before birth and the body is a communication device set to a certain frequency and the individual body is not private property but the common currency of the species.

You mean not able to relate the objective experience? We first dream of peace, then awaken to it. Bringing this to earth, I am a fly fishing enthusiast and am into investigating steam side or waters edge entomology and had read about insect hatches and associated fish feeding activities and then through the practice of fly fishing I actually witnessed these things in a way that obviously surpasses the descriptions I had read. At the same time it made the descriptions eminently meaningful.

I think you are clear, I hope I have been clearer.

Only the idea of a special case makes appear the false dichotomy of subjective versus objective. Having and being are the same and knowledge is being shared. Knowledge is complete, learning or establishing patterns of thinking comes incre-mentally but always the thought comes first. The ray of creation proceeds thought, word, and deed.

Here is a diddy on the dreamer. We dream a dream seeing ourselves figures in the dream but do not recognize what it is to be the dreamer, ultimately afraid that being the dreamer is a dream too good to be true, afraid of our own shadow.

 

No, I offered some specifics that you have not challenged.

 

huh?

 

I don't know what your talking about.

This?

Well I do have the capacity to revoke your idea of good because it's really a delusional idea. People tend to believe what they want and what makes them feel good. These delusional ideas of God and good originate from the subconscious superego. When people get together to worship their collective superegos, really super delusional good things tend to happen, like support for unjust wars and animosity toward groups of different ideas and all sorts crazy nonsense.

Oh, isn't it just fun how God has so many conflicting good ideas all over this planet at once?

When and if you go to church, ask yourselves if the ideas being presented are really GOOD for the whole earth, the whole human race, the flock, or the individual.

 

So, relaxxx, could it be you simply want a world without gods and theists (because it matches your concept of good) and therefor have your atheist convictions?

 

I think I have a better understanding of real good and moral ideas VS religious pseudo-morals. I think I have a better understanding our minds and nature. I also think we have the potential to build a much better world but it's not compatible with this ancient crutch of religion.

 

Precisely

False. You have no capacity to change my mind nor I yours as our convictions are irrevocable save we relinquish them ourselves.

People by and large don't know what they want relying on taste as guide but there is no accounting for taste. Things that feel good are not always helpful and things that are difficult for a time find resolution.
What we want when all is considered is ease of being. There is another all inclusive name for this called being at peace. I find your understanding of this subject to be suspect because you are not comfortable with what you see and what you see is what you insist is there.
Reality is not in conflict with itself but you are conflicted about what it is. Are real things a benefit to you or not?

Come unto me all who are weary and heavy laden and I will give you rest.

What is delusional is the idea that reality is good and bad, that reality is fundamentally split or fractured and somehow needs mending. More likely the mind is confused.

When people get together for common cause they accomplish more together than they could separately and you could interpret that positively or negatively.

I don't enjoy confusion. I don't think for god although an accurate view lends comfort. The truth sets you free.

How about when you wake up in the morning ask yourself whether your ideas accomplish those things?

 

Oh, so ours becomes mine, nice twist.

Actually your whole post just looks like a dodgy bunch of excuses and denials to me. Can't justify God's actions so just blow it off and focus elsewhere...

but he's not an example of believing what he wants folks, no no no.

 

I don't understand. Your mind is a kingdom you alone rule. Knowledge however is shared being.

Actually there is not enough specificity in this statement for me to be able to address your criticism. What specific example is a dodgy excuse and what did I attempt to excuse. I did not say anything about god's actions and you not believing in god are helpless to quantify gods actions at all. I pointed to things we can definitely say about god based on common experience. We invoke god as an extension of our indelibly endowed invocation to good which is a premise you agree with in a small way at least when you say the idea of god makes people feel good. The only thing I deny is that a complaint is a self affirming view. A complaint does not make you better than someone else. It is in fact an improper use of denial, self denial, for you do not complain about what the world has done to you but see a reflection of the verdicts you invoke. It is from this phenomena that we derive the metaphorical description that god is the word made flesh. As you judge so you experience your judgement.

There is a quality of judgement that is helpful and one that is not. Judgement on a sliding scale of worthiness is not helpful as all things extant are lawful and are better understood in terms of function and on this basis helpful or not considering the function's desired aim. Further our powers of distinction are most defining in distinguishing one thing from another and recognizing what is the same and what is different.

I am an example of knowing what I want.

 

I know you don't understand. I ask you how God can be in conflict and you say you don't think for God. You don't think you think for God, but you do. You are part of the collective. Your brain has been programmed to override any logic that falsifies your God. YOU have no capacity to change your mind and so you think scientific minds are the same, they are not.

Again, where is the God Good? If God is a contradiction then he does not exist. How is God on both sides of wars? How is the creator of bad and the breaker of laws also the authority of good? The truth shall set you free, but you don't want to be free at all. "It looks bad but have faith that it's good, because God has to be good". True, IF God was an actual supreme being. BUT God is actually in your head and what you have faith in being Good and moral is actually false pseudo-moralistic egotism. I'm sorry your brain is wired so you can't see what it really is.

It REALLY is bad.
Good for survival and coping...
Bad for ACTUALLY being anywhere near really moral.

 

Dude you are claiming to think for me but you speak for an imagined someone. I think on god. My god is where I inherit my invocation to good from and for this state of being I am grateful.

No, you don't want me to be free because you believe in your prison. Where is good and bad except in your terms?

This is called moralizing and you cannot escape the effects of your own thinking.

 

How is YOUR GOOD on every side of every war?

You are blind!

A real moral God could not support war let alone just about every side and soldier from every war but yet that's what most soldiers believe. It's as false as the good you believe. The only God that can be on all sides is the superego God deep inside the soldiers heads. Nearly ALL thinking THEY are the good and right.

Look at this planet, look at history, look at the old T.

Good God! Where is YOUR GOD GOOD?

You can't see it but any reader capable of critical thinking should be able to get this.

 

You are not speaking to my words or my beliefs.
Try to exercise some current reading comprehension instead of debating your forgone conclusions with yourself.
My god is not a testament old or new.
My god is not on any side but fundamental to everyone's efforts. Everyone is hard wired to invoke their good. Where does our fundamental desire for good or rightness come from, and why, are the salient lines of inquiry which produce the idea of god for me. Why am I devoted and why are you so devoted, it is because we are the inheritors of love which is beyond what can be taught.

 

Yes, THEIR good,
NOT REAL GOOD.

Because it is a hard wiring bred in from countless generations of warfare and genocides.

It's a FEELING of GOOD and a FEELING of RIGHTEOUSNESS that comes from fighting the "right" side...
The "winning" side.

It is an "old testament" heritage you can not escape from.

 

You are devoted to your good is that your programming? It is an inheritance, not a teaching.