Does God Exist?

Discussion in 'Philosophy and Religion' started by Naiwen, Feb 24, 2014.

  1. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    it was a day of 10,ooo rainbows , and there was one that circled
    the sun . says a sister to me , there is the goddess and we are
    family . the man from the rez asks , have you a song for this day ?
     
  2. AiryFox

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    I would not go so far as to state that as fact.

    We are daily discovering new things about the natural world and universe around us. Perhaps, one day, we actually may discover proof that the supernatural is more than a primitive creation of the mind. Until that time, if it comes, it is better to believe rationally that it does not exist than to believe irrationally in that which cannot be proven to exist.
     
  3. Dejavu

    Dejavu Until the great unbanning

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    Got one for you tikoo while you wait for ginalees selection :-D Saw a rainbow today so briefly.

    First sixty six seconds:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZD00BtGVu4"]Bobby Mcferrin - Kalimba Suite - YouTube
     
  4. AiryFox

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    That is not how burden of proof works. If one knows that the Easter Bunny does not exist, one who does believe in the existence of the Easter Bunny would be illogical in stating that the unbeliever must prove that the Easter Bunny does not exist. The burden of proof is on the theist who claims that something exists when there is already zero proof to support its existence.

    False. You clearly have strange ideas about evidence if you can make such a faulty claim.

    Concepts exists, yet it does not mean those concepts exists outside the human mind where they were created as mere ideas.

    In other words, suspend all reason to believe in something for the sake of of a comforting lie? That is irrational. It should never be the goal of humanity to believe in that which cannot be supported without evidence. Rather, humanity should strive to always seek the truth that can be substantiated by evidence.
     
  5. AiryFox

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    That is precisely what myth is. Those things that pass into myth, especially religions that have outlasted their usefulness, are not based on truth. A myth fits comfortably into the same category as fantasy and science fiction.
     
  6. AiryFox

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    Indeed, that is a concept few theists seem to be capable of understanding. No surprise, really, since they can never seem to wrap their minds around anything logical.

    Every baby is born without belief. Belief, religion, is then taught either directly or indirectly by family, friends, society.
     
  7. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    So are logic, morals, social behaviour etc. etc.
     
  8. thedope

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    No to either. Unless you become as little children. The default position is mom and dad are where all care comes from and mom and dad are all I care for.

    Honor your father sun and mother earth that your days may be long in the land.
     
  9. thedope

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    No baby is born without it's invocation to good.

    You don't know the half of it. Family, friends, and society itself are all learned and if you find any of these out of proportion in your life then your previous learning should be considered suspect. All these things are a conscious choosing
    and fortunately we can change our mind.
     
  10. thedope

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    What is the difference between your day and night dreams besides the fact that during your waking dreams you can get up and move around? All thinking fits comfortably into the same category as fantasy and science fiction. The periodic table is a myth. Those symbols do not appear in nature but through those symbols we apprehend their appearance.
     
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  12. thedope

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    A belief based thought system that has no true proportions.



    Necessary if you believe that they are at cross purposes. At least you are consistent.
     
  13. Okiefreak

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    Why? Life is short. Belief in God makes sense pragmatically, by making my life richer. Substantial evidence is good enough for me. BTW, agnosticism is the default position.
     
  14. Okiefreak

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    That depends on whether or not the believer is trying to "prove" something. Life is a gamble. Gamblers can't prove that their bets will pay off, although it helps to have good reasons to place them. You seem to be the one making all the assertions, so where is your proof?
     
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    That's absurd. Babies don't have "isms". An "ism" is a belief system, and those don't develop until well beyond infancy.
     
  17. Monkey Boy

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    Yeah, babies have a natural trust. Agnosticism is based on not trusting anything.
     
  18. Okiefreak

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    I think you missed Dejavu's point, which I hope was a joke. I think he was trying to say (one is never sure with him) that babies are natural born atheists. I agree with you that religion is taught or acquired, although children are naturally disposed to pick it up readily. (Barrett, Why Would Anyone Believe in God).
     
  19. thedope

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    Where else are you?
    I can speak to a azure beacon but you cannot hear me in self denial.

    Is memory then selective forgetting after all? Unless I do this forget it?
    Love is what you are, having and being the same. As often as you do this remember me or you forget yourself.

    I am the egg man conception and I ride a walrus..., I need do nothing all my actions falling out from my premises.

    I've told you many times the thought comes first. God said let there be light.
    Light is that by which all things are perceived.

    Honestly what is the same is the same and what is different is different and not the same.

    Recall our conversation on light above.
     
  20. thedope

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    the default position is devotion
     

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