Does God Exist?

Sounds to me like he just wants your words, as Asmo pointed out earlier.

You're passing someone else's joint as if it's your own. Sure, it might be well rolled, but we wanna see your technique. No pressure.

 

I gave you my "technique" and you spit on it ....like he did.

 

Ahh I do apologise Mr. Hermit Crab, looked like avoidance rather than home. My bad.

 

There are many who quote them that have the definitive answer, i.e. Einstein's theory of relativity. Does calling me names like "Mr. Hermit Crab" make your ego feel superior? Pathetic.

 

It totally depends on how one defines, "God."

 

Any concrete definitive affirmations beyond fuzzy, undefinable feelings or remote intuition?

 

The creating force in the universe. Strangely enough God can be defined as evolution :-D

 

That is quite strange because there are a lot of fundamentalists denying God in that case.

 

People can deny my god(s) or definition of what God is any day. Just as with good it is simply so that my god does not have to be your god. The more concrete a definition of what God exactly might be becomes the more people will disagree with it because it is not how they perceive God. This should not have to be a concern or issue. It is only made a problem by people who apparently find it unbearable that others come to a different conclusion on this matter.

 

With that kind of copout, it doesn't sound like it bodes too well for the concept of existence in any meaningful, tangible sense.

 

Well, as long as God is mainly a spiritual matter (which will most likely be the situation ) the exact definition on what God is will simply differ. Are we spiritual for ourselves or somebody else? So why should we conform our definition of our own God to something universal or something that might get the approval of a(nti)theists? I don't agree with most fundamentalists but as long as they're not actively bothering people with it I am not bothered by their beliefs.

 

if we are not looking for anything universal here, It seems pointless and I'd go so far as to say silly to even entertain questions like these. I think it's clear that believers do not seek approval from atheists and non-believers or even believers of other Gods/faiths for that matter.

 

I can see how handy it would be to have a universal definition of God. But we won't get to that closer than the dictionary definition of 'god(s)' or 'deity' etc. (they're sensible and covering the subject). The problem of people who don't have any belief in a God but still want a universal definition of what it would be is that they are making it a primarily scientific matter. But it remains to be primarily a spiritual matter. Spirituality is in essence primarily a matter for the individual itself. Different individuals come to different spiritual conclusions. When they're discussing this subject without really being able to take other definitions seriously there is indeed little point going over these topics over and over again. When we are open for each other and can tolerate other people's sincere beliefs and explanations of them it might become less pointless. All it takes is a sincere interest in each others thoughts and beliefs it seems. And let go of the fuitlity that we have to come to a complete agreement on spiritual matters.

 

I'd say that's incorrect, I think most non-believers are primarily looking for a logical and consistent definition of God. I know speaking for myself and probably many others too, there is something unsatisfactory about making God interchangeable with some other concept ("God is evolution" ,"God is Magic"), which doesn't have to be an issue for a believer necessarily of course, but it will often provoke skeptics in these threads to further query about how one arrives at such conclusions, which seems only fair.

 

Do the musings of some random fuck on the internet invoke a defensive reflex? All that's in front of you is text, you're the one who poked yourself in the eye.

This is new stuff, a whole new area of consciousness has been opened up through the net and I feel we need to recognise when we're dragging "environmental social habits"(for lack of a better description) into what is essentially an alternate dimension.. reading has more power than listening due to the fact we can essentially "trip into it", re-read and build a more elaborate picture on the basis of the words, however the structural integrity of our architectural accomplishment relies on the clarity of our perceived situation.

I am not talking to you, I'm leaving words behind. Do with that what you will, I have no bearing on your circumstances.

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Now considering magic relies on a wholly subjective interpretation and exists outside of a quantised playing field of (applied) mathematics(created in order to establish "concrete truths" on a consensus level), that comparison doesn't really cut it.
I didn't mean any harm, I just favour objectivity wherever it can be applied and a hermit crab seemed to fit your bill in that specific instance. You only presented someone else's shell, your soft vulnerable interiors(the bit's that are of value i.e. the juicy bit that holds your argument together for the one's who you're trying to convince) are nowhere to be seen.

 

no argument, can prove nor disprove, the possible existence, of a completely nonphysical thing.

 

Why should god be completely non-physical ? Curious . I am curious of an entity made of light , perhaps the
one who makes crop circles with a language of geometry . Sometimes I dream geometry , but translating it
as English ? ... I don't know . Geometry does not seem like a language to use for arguing existence .

 

existence, does or does not, equally well, without arguing.

god is strange. i love strange. but i don't love when people try to make god (or gods) not strange.

why would a god need to be completely nonphysical? because nothing physical, can meet the requirements to be one.

(not even physical forces like light)

 

I was nay thinking of light as a force but as a substance that may organize as life with willfulness
to hither thither have motion , to shine light on a human or not . It's strange enough for me . Could
it be an aspect of the God is Light story ? If the story came from the wildlands ... as told by hobos
who live on an island in the river only to escape the great flood seasonally . And there appears in
the early springtime blooming a speck of light unto them , in perfect time , and the swimming dirty
kids follow it to the shore of their river and up the hill amazed and all ways free . And twice a year
they are washed in the going and coming zither-lee .