Does anyone really believe in peace?

Do they have control of the oil supply ?... Please no vague ''puppet goverments'' etc etc .. just some irefutable proof this is the case.. you must have reasoned it from somewhere.. not taken it out ot the ether...your smarter than that , right ?.

UK US Ireland Canada Arab emirate Australia Iraqi business have interests in Iraq oil... If the Iraqi goverment favour foreign investment over prudence and its own people.. question the Iraqi goverment.

I think it is a little unfair to think 'peacekeeping' is not a major factor.. It might not be working http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=17297&Cr=iraq&Cr1= and it might be tainted http://today.reuters.com/investing/financeArticle.aspx?type=bondsNews&storyID=2006-01-27T011927Z_01_N26219346_RTRIDST_0_UN-PROBE-CONTRACTS.XML

but be fair..

http://www.un.org/apps/news/infocusRel.asp?infocusID=50&Body=Iraq&Body1=inspect

http://www.un.org/apps/news/infocusRel.asp?infocusID=50&Body=Iraq&Body1=inspect

http://www.un.org/peace/

 

what is CNN hiding?

i heard them say something about a chemical plant explosion and then they went into a story about some business buying new orleans a jazz sunday or something. the anchors were all aflutter like they knew something was wrong. what is up? it was right before the interview with the skating commentator whose poor sister died the day he won the race but what the heck did DHL have to do with it that he pimped that bizness name twice? olympic spirit? what?

has something already happened?

 

Is it just the drugs ??.. i wake up bleary eyed sometimes.. heck the world feels strange..

 

You lot are so cynical. Probably supporters of david ike.

There are other countries that produce a lot of oil that the US and UK haven't even looked at..... Nigeria? Would be easy to storm Nigeria.

US has its own oil reserves. UK has its own oil. Granted its not enough to keep the gangsta rappers in fuel but there is no way I believe this is all about oil.

Is every citizen in the UK really that blind or are some people looking for something thats not there. Ok it would be better for all of us to have better relations with the new government in Iraq so that we can have better trade but theres nothing wrong with that.

Saddam was a muppet and deserved to go. Islamic Militants in Iraq also deserve to go.

 

and the terrorists from the west can say these things why? are christen fundimentalists any different? what pepole have created more terror than those of us that you are defending?

 

Amen.

 

Speculation:

The Enemy of MY enemy is MY friend

Saddam/Osama i can believe
Saddam/Osama/9-11 i don't believe.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/804yqqnr.asp

 

This thread started by asking if people really believe in peace.

It has changed into weighing the relative evil of peoples and individuals as a way of justifying their being killed.

I guess the original question has been answered.

 

Thats not absolutely true, the thread started with a bias towards the current war against terror...it was basically an idiotic plee for anti-war protesters to "give up" and realise that violence is the answer (that is an exaggeration)

If by talking about the relative evil of individuals as a way of justifying their being killed, I don't justify the killing of anyone, I do however take more responsibility for the actions of my own nation than I do those in "opposition". I believe in peace.

 

is there not one circumstance you can think of where you might use violence to solve an issue.... maybe someone pointing a gun at your mum, blowing your sister up etc.

There must be something that will make you angry enough to fight back.

 

I can imagine many circumstances. I thank God (tough for an athiest) that so far, I have not been in a situation where violence was the only or best solution. What situations may come up in the future and what solutions may be needed I don't know, but I know what kinds of solutions I want to apply to problems.

 

I don't disagree with you at all. I am still trying to weigh up my attitude on pacifism.

After all, i once heard a saying that: "War is ugly, but not the ugliest things, the demoralising and cynical attitude that nothing is worth a war is much worse"

But Gary, we've been over this many times...the current war was far from justified....i've had enough of trying to explain. I am too pessimistic to say that absolute peace is attainable...I am however optimistic enough to say that humanity is far more capable of functioning peacefully than it has on both sides of the war in Iraq.

As an Australian, I take responsibility for our side of the incident. Our government was corrupt, pragmatic and entered into a war that destroyed thousands of lives without due justification. Like i said in another thread, if thats your idea of attaining peace Gary, then fuck peace as you call it.

 

When you were a child were you ever caught doing something you were not supposed to be doing.

For example my son attends a nursery and he has two very close friends that stand out from the others. Between the three of them they get into mischief. When the nursery staff look around my son is the one that gets caught out each time. That doesn't mean he wasn't involved it just means the other kids were involved as well but he has previous form so generally gets left "holding the bomb".

I see the Iraq situation like this. Iraq did something wrong in the early 90s when they invaded Kuwait. They continued to do the wrong thing in a number of incidents. They weren't the only ones, Zimbabwe, Sudan etc are all doing bad things but when the terrorists hit the US and the terrorists came from a middle Eastern country the US reacted by pointing the finger at the bad boy in the class Iraq.

Iraq were still being bad by not letting weapons inspectors in etc so as I've said before they aren't faultless in all of this.

Yes the US and UK went into Iraq looking for weapons that didn't exist and because Iraq may have harboured terrorists (that possibly weren't there before but are now) but Iraq had enough previous form to suggest something like this was going to happen to them.

The good thing that has come out of all of this is that Saddam has gone. What I would say is that it will be good when the UN get in there because they have done wonders with Yugoslavia, Bosnia etc.

 

The decision to go to Iraq had nothing to do with error. It was a well thought out decision based not on punishment but on vested interest. It seems you're clutching at straws.

By the way, Iraq isn't just a bad boy in a nursery, its a country with millions of people living in it.

Yes, they are much at fault in this. Although, whether weapons inspections were adequate, nor whether they gave Iraq enough warnings is questionable... I'll have to do some research on that one. Like I said, I want to take responsibility for the actions of our countries.

Experts knew very well that there were far more terrorists being harboured in nations like Afghanistan. In fact, I don't see how a ruthless dictator bent on imposing his own rules onto a nation would benefit from harbouring terrorists - people who prefer to function outside governmental rule.

Being the reasonable person that you are, I can see you've definitely taken anti-war arguments into consideration and thought critically about the whole thing, but I am still hard pressed to understand what the hell you're trying to accomplish simply by saying the war should at least be given credit for getting rid of Saddam.

Of course the anti-war movement recognises Saddam was an evil man (I am quite knowledgable of his atrocities) but I think many in this thread have put reasonable light on the statistics behind the war, the way the war was brought about, how it was and is being fought...and we've weighed up the odds. This war never should have happened the way it did.

 

Yes I Do Beleiviev In Peace!!!! It Will Take All Of Us To Bring It To >>>><<<<<are You Willing To Try!!!!!!!!!!!

 

No I agree. It should have been finished properly the first time around. Saddam should have been forced out of office after he invaded Kuwait.

 

Amen to that...but they fucked up. And they fucked up even more the second time around (Well as far as our chances of a fair humanity and world peace are concerned) except for the Saddam part. You're right in saying the war was good for something. But I could never as a sane human being say it was worth it.

 

i've actually defended the US and UK all the way through this except for their reasons for entering Iraq.

I have been shot down in flames a few times but my opinion on it still stands.

The truth is that whats done is done. We can't go back. The soldiers are doing a good job and when the time is right they will leave and the UN will do their job.

The majority of people on this thread disagree. You have to remember the board you are posting on though.

I've seen debates on Question Time (BBC political program where the general public can ask questions of Members of Parliament) about the war and their is a divide down the middle.

Noone really disputes the fact that the reasons we went to war were misleading but some of us believe there was still good enough reason for the war in any case. Others don't.

On this board most people believe the war shouldn't have happened. I believe that Iraq had enough chances to cooperate.

There is no need for it to get abusive. Its a difference of opinion which is largely what forums are about.

 

You're a laugh cartman.

 

I don't really believe in actual constant peace. like it doesn't have to be war but its just in (most) human nature to be competative, egoistic etc. Everything is done from egoism too, I believe. In basic. If you're nice to someone, you'll have friends, or get a good feeling from it <-- see, you're doing it for the good feeling.

I don't believe humans can be peaceful COMPLETELY forever. It'd be nice though.