Does anyone ever think that the voters should be the government?

I'm talking about the Declaration of Independence. Obviously, the Leaders we follow can't follow the damn Constitution, moreover, they discredit voters, and ignore voters on important issues such as these. If a government doesn't have our consent, we can change governments, and I'm just opening a discussion! I didn't mean "mob rule," I mean we should be able to legalize a damn plant!

When people are ignored constantly by the government, the Constitution is ignored/violated by the government and, protests end in violence DUE to our government; what else could one do than to change the government? Nothing is going to change if we remain silent; soon the whole Constitution/Declaration of Independence will be rendered meaningless! They already told Texas they're "Not allowed to leave!!!"

 

Yes, you think it should be legalized through mob rule. In doing so we would be opening a door that could never be closed again.

Also, the Declaration of Independence isn't a legal document.

Then go ahead and start the change. Personally, from what you have described in terms of how your new government would operate, I'd be on the opposite side of the lines. The mob is just as capable of imposing tyranny as the current government.

 

Not if they can't follow the Constitution! I don't believe corporate "special interests" represent regular Americans. Not that I want communism or anything either, but this will never work if our government can't respect our Human Rights. It isn't mob rule, cause it's still illegal to hurt or kill. Violent crimes in America has decreeced dramatically the last few years, and most citizens just want to live their life, and do their day by day.

I think it's silly to assume that you're regular guy would be more corrupt than the elitiest we have in power now. At least some of us understand and respect the Constitution!

 

How so? Use the Colorado vote as an e.g. Like I said, if there were other e.g's I didn't hear them, as I only listened to a few minutes - don't put me through any more of him.

You sound like the guy in the video. - that's not a compliment.
What would you say if 55% voted against?

 

The constitution was written by elitists. It's a good document and it has served this country well but don't pretend that its a document supporting mob rule and opposing the elite.

 

I can see you really don't understand the mess you'd be unleashing. It isn't mob rule, cause it's still illegal to hurt or kill? That is, unless, the mob decides to change those laws, right? Who would you be to deny the will of the people if that was the case? What if the will of the people decides to get rid of the 2nd Amendment?

I am not worried about a single, regular guy. I am worried about millions of those regular, uneducated guys getting together and deciding how this country should be run. I am worried about boys like you, who let their emotions cloud their judgement, running this country.

 

I don't like pure democracy either. But I honestly think you go too far the other way and think corporate elitest care about what the people want?

Democracy may be equivalent to rolling the dice, but it's much better than having a government who works toward perpetual war,muder and, theft for profit. America's laws are made to serve the elitest.

The Constitution wasn't written just for the eliest imo. Thomas Jefferson and James Madison ensured people were protected from tyranny, in the Bill Of Rights; and btw, I don't believe the "Majority vote" hold greater yield than the Constitution. I just believe that voters should have a voice in government. None of our elected officials represent us, we are disattached from our government, and that's a very big problem!

I don't mean we should be the whole government, but perhaps we take the place of a branch of government, or create a branch that is the people. We deserve some type of voice, since the Special Interests Lobbyist are so backwards on the Laws they pass!!!

 

But that is exactly what you're advocating. The majority vote shouldn't hold greater sway than the Constitution? But it will though, in your scenario. I mean, the majority vote could be used to change the Constitution. Do you not see the mess you'd be making?

Personally, I think too many are allowed to vote and have their voice heard as it is.

 

I think you are convincing yourself of something that isn't 100% true, as to maintain your ideology. I could sense it in the other guys tone, too.

I'll paraphrase: The Governor of Colorado ignored the voice of his constituents and was up the ass of Obama, that god damned bastard should be shot. How dare he ignore the voice of the people. This just goes to show he is trampling all over the constitution, and is in bed with the bastard pig swine 1%

*reality check*

Didn't quite run like that, did it?


Voters do seem to have a voice in government. *shock horror*

 

I disagree. We don't vote on Presidents (only electoral college students do.) We have no say in the Laws (there have been plenty of protests advocating the legalization of weed, to no avail.) and most importantly, money is the "free speech," that no one else has! We can't support a politicians with good ideas that will help the people, because we're not rich enough to change Obama's mind.

I don't support the people being over the constitution. Everybody would be forced to follow the Constitution and there should be checks and balances to ensure so! But it's not like these rich bankers and coporations give a fuck about our Constitution! That's why they're always violating it!

 

Not true. The Federal Government is still busting dispensaries. Even though Medicinal Marijuana is legal in 20% of the country!

 

Electoral college students? You really have no idea how our country runs, do you?

Forced to follow to Constitution? What if 70% of the country wants to get rid of the 2nd Amendment? Do you advocate the people having no say in how they are governed in that case? Once you open the door of mob rule you cannot close it again. You open up one law to mob decision and you open them all. There are no half measures and the precedent will have been set.

 

And closing legitimate ones down? Perhaps they are growing raw Marijuana.

This seems fair:
http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2012/04/marijuana_obama_prosecution_rolling_stone.php

 

Obviously you have no idea.

 

They aren't students, LSD. As you said they were in post #30. If you're going to bitch about something, at least get the terminology right.

 

The electors are typically local political leaders chosen by their parties. In 30 states they are required to reflect the popular will, but in others they have been known to deviate and choose another candidate or make a protest abstention vote.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ion-2012-the-electoral-college-explained.html

 

"Electoral college students..."

lolololololololololololololololol

Sorry, STP, but you made me damn nearly piss myself when I read that.

I hear those electoral college chicks put out quite readily, though. How else can they afford their books? lol!!!!

 

Bwahahahahahabah!!!!

I was going to post something relevant but I'm laughing so damn hard I forgot what I was gonna say.

 

No I don't think it should be that way. I think we should have elected representatives and we should follow the constitution and the ideas of our founders.

That being said, a person in congress should not be there for years and years, there should be term limits. They also shouldn't get paid a fuck ton of our money, shouldn't get paid for life, shouldn't be able to take money from lobbyists. It should be ordinary people - well for lack of a better term upstanding successful people and community leaders - that stop what they are doing in their community to go represent it in Washington for a period of time. Then return to their normal lives.

The system is corrupt because we pay these people hundreds of thousands of dollars per year of our money, to basically placate corporate interests.

 

He's a very good speaker.

He needs to forget some of the idealism, because it makes everything off-limits....but I'd vote for him.