Does Agnosticism Make Sense?

part of the reason you sparked this whole debate libertine is because of the awkward wording you chose to define atheism.

 

Not my words.

The definition of atheism from three various sources.

Oh, and I take it YOU didn't check any of them out?

Otherwise you wouldn't have just made that statement.

Here ya are...

From my dictionary of ETYMOLOGY:
1571, from Fr. athéiste (16c.), from Gk. atheos from a- "without" + theos "a god" (see thea.)

and another: French athéisme, from athée, atheist, from Greek atheos, godless : a-, without; see a-[size=-1]1[/size] + theos, god; see dhs-

and as far as Wikipedia (which I use as well sometimes) and Webster's are concerned, yet another: FROM ATHEISTS.ORG http://www.atheists.org/faqs/atheism.html#what.it.is

I hope this "clears it up" for ya.

 

Please read. After, feel free to question anything I stated I'm not asking you to believe it, but just to be open to it. I think your a smart person & I only wish to help this situation.

Fear has everything to do with the ego, but the topic does not. The fact that you can't differentiate a clear line between the 2, & the fact that you can't see that I can, in fact proves that what we have here is a matter concerning pride. More specifically your pride. Please do not get angry because these statements aren't meant to upset you. Please allow me to explain.

7 entries found for pride.

pride ( P ) Pronunciation Key (prd)
n.

1. A sense of one's own proper dignity or value; self-respect.
2. Pleasure or satisfaction taken in an achievement, possession, or association: parental pride.
3. Arrogant or disdainful conduct or treatment; haughtiness.
   1. <LI type=a>A cause or source of pleasure or satisfaction; the best of a group or class: These soldiers were their country's pride.
   2. The most successful or thriving condition; prime: the pride of youth.
4. An excessively high opinion of oneself; conceit.
5. Mettle or spirit in horses.
6. A company of lions. See Synonyms at flock[size=-1]1[/size].
7. A flamboyant or impressive group: a pride of acrobats.

You call yourself a proud atheist, you feel a connection with atheism. It seems that being an "atheist" is a source of "self-worth" for you (it may not necessarily be the only one). From it you derive a feeling of an acievement in knowlege (but that in itself (the feeling of achievement in knowlege) is only a thing of pride). Maybe what truely appeals to you is the label. This would be why you have the need to defend atheism so dirley. That word "atheist" as you know it represents your feeling of achievement in knowlege. This is why you felt those emotions while reading the posts that conflicted with what you said about "atheism" (and I know you felt the emotion(s) because you displayed responding emotions in your responding posts). Your emotions showed that you (eventually) felt under attack by those who presented posts that disagreed with your idea(ls) of atheism. If you haven't by now, you must take to heart that it was not you personally that they were after, but TO uncover a common understanding. The reason you felt the emotion(s) I think BEGINS here: you said "I AM an atheist"... if this is what you feel & not just what you say, the feeling is incorrect(but not wrong...) a correct feeling for you to have would be that you follow atheism. Not that you ARE an "atheist" <--- this reveals 2 seperate entities, thus you no longer take the entity to be yourself. [for extra info...A lot of people who claim religion/non-beliefs (ie: catholics, christians, jewish, & even atheists)including my parents (& formerly myself) take the entity (or the belief) to be themselves... those people are usually the type who are pushy with their beliefs.]









This post is not about the semantics of the words (which every other post seemed to have turned into) but about the associated feelings they bring you. because that word is making you an ass.

I wish you well

 

Again?

You should take something for the lack of short term memory.

 

coming from the lord of doubling posting himself

 

LOL...see I told you about that sense of humor.

 

that doesn't even make sense, perhaps your upset because you'd rather I'd sent that personal analysis to you as a pm. you know, so not to embarrass you (of course by "you" I mean your pride).

I know all about types like you. You get off on coming up with witty the comebacks to diplay how "cool" you are. It was never only children who do that type of thing, they have to learn it from somewhere... types like yourself.

 

Yet more personal attacks...

Think you can carry on a conversation without the hostility?

 

if you take time to go back and read through each post on this thread you'll find that you're the soul source of hostility. & everything I've said that seems "hostile" to you, happens only after you've said something hostile & I am mearly holding a mirror up to your face.

you want people to either absorb your hostile energy, thus you will not have it anymore... it's kinda scientific, you know that transfer of energy law? that energy can never be created or distroyed, but it can move around.

 

Provide evidence of me attacking you personally and I will publicly apologize to you.

 

"You again, eh?

You are like one of those "monthly" stalkers.
You seem to follow me around every so often just to disagree.

But, my arguments are all over this and other threads in this forum, and I am not about to repeat myself for the 1,000th time. So, feel free to check them or bash what you perceive to be my arguments. Have fun!"

just another of ur posts on another thread. Its no personal attacks. its condescending remarks like these that make you look like an ass.

 

You don't know the story behind that quote, obviously.

And Colours, I really don't care what you think of me.

Sorry.

 

let me guess. the "story" behind the quote is that bill responds to your posts, and when he has a differing view point you get angry?

 

I have never been angry at Bill. I like Bill. He and I disagree all the time.

It's a joke, Colours. Bill gets it. I get it.

Are you people so disturbed by me that you just can't contain yourself from saying "you're angry", "you're arrogant", "you're an asshole", etc...

The truth of the matter is that you love it. You love it. You love me. And without this little level of entertainment to add more excitement to your life, you'd go insane.

I kick ass, Colours. The reason is not arrogance. The reason is not because I am always right. The reason is because I stir the pot. I am not hateful, but cynical. I am not hostile, but use a bit of stinging humor. And it's all because. Just because.

 

Now, here is MY OWN DEFINITION:

AGNOSTICISM: a comfortable position to have while wrestling with what one suspects is true (atheism).

 

Libertine

Occam wrestles with nothing
For athiesm, theism and agnosticism.
Are not based or began in anything physical.

But they are well based in concept.

Occam as an agnostic does not take a comfortable position.
Because theism or athiesm would be no less comfortable.

None are more than philosophical positions.
None provoke any emotion at all. let alone desire for comfort.

What is true? Occam knows not.
Thus he can be nothing but an agnostic.

Occam

 

I disagree with this. You cannot deny the effect Religion and more specifically Theism has on a person. There is a lot of emotion in it, in fact, that is THE reason people are theists in the first place. The COMFORT they get out of it, the peace of mind, etc...

 

That isn't very logical. If a unicorn did in fact exist, there would be SOME trace of it. Some fossil. Something remaining. God isn't an ANIMAL. God isn't something we can even see (according to most religious scriptures).
I think being agnostic makes sense.
It's the most logical and balanced thing. But then again, whatever you believe it makes sense because that's what you believe in!

Whatever gets you through life, man.

 

Yeah... hehe, that sounds about right.

 

what would one who is leaning towards a higher power, but knows nothing about this god be classified as?