Do you think people are born gay?

no i did'nt learn multiquote yet.but sur whats the big deal anyway ? cos the only two things that you did say are in my quote,the things i responded to.i mean i could understand it if i misouoted you.i would'nt like ta be misquoted either.but sur common sense should tell ya t'was'nt the researches i was talkin' ta,cos their not here.i had another look back a minute ago an its obvious that i was just replying to the two things you did say.check it out again yourself mer an your probably get it then.

 

...born...

 

possibly, maybe more likely to surface during puberty though. i do think it is hardwired in a persons brain is is most likely controlled by genes.

never really tried discussing it with any actual homosexuals and asking such personal questions though. i dated a girl who claimed to be bi once, should have asked her those questions but didnt really care enough about it to at the time.

 

Most Certainly Born Gay, And Since I Am 67 Years Old And Came Out At 10,

I Think I'm More Than Qualified To Respond To This Thread...... :biker:



Cheers Glen.

 

...you're born gay...just like some are born straight...

 

No, I am a straight guy and I was born this way, I've always had interest in women's boobs.

 

I think you'd be making a mistake to assume that ALL are born gay or ALL choose to become gay later in life. I don't think it's a black and white issue. I do believe some people are born with a natural disposition to prefer the same sex. Others, I believe, become gay later in life. Possibly after they've discovered all the opposite sex has to offer. Or possibly after several failed relationships with the opposite sex.

 

For me as a gay male, I believe that every gay or lesbian is ultimately born into the opposing body (I won't use the term 'wrong' body, as there is nothing wrong with being born homosexual).

However I do think I am attracted to a man the same way a heterosexual female is, as I suspect gay women are attracted to women in the same way as the heterosexual man is. I do think I am ultimately a woman born into the body of a man, however I know self evidently that I am not able to physically bear the children of my male partner. That doesn't mean that I am not attracted to a male partner that would offer me protection and comfort.

Everyone knows there is a vast spectrum and sub cultures of homosexuals. Gay men can range from extremely effeminate, such as cross dressing and be very flamboyant and (some would say) provocative in their social presence to the extremely masculine and perhaps more macho or even reserved in their personal style. Much like lesbian women can appear very masculine and present themselves very clearly as that, but also very feminine lesbians who wear make up, have their hair long, wear feminine clothes and so forth.

I understand that there is a very broad range that exists not just what I have categorized above.

Transexuals for me represent people who choose not to accept their opposing body to which they were born, and have every right to seek modern medical intervention to adjust their bodies to become female or male. I fully support and truly admire those who seek gender reassignment.

However pre-op transexuals appear to not make up the largest demography of homosexuals. I think most can adjust to the opposing bodies that they have been born into. Even though I don't feel fully male, I do feel far more female in many ways, I have learned to accept and like my body.

I understand that I am 'gay', I was born into the opposing body, naturally. It happens, in every country, in every culture throughout the world and all of recorded human history. I think the most important thing is for people to feel comfortable in their own skin, and for me (on a completely personal level) that means embracing your homosexuality and understanding the beauty of same sex love.

 

Or perhaps as a sub-conscious response to stimuli in their childhood, such as an abusive parent or encountering bullying by the opposite sex.

 

I was born how I was born. I don't know if that was gay or straight.

My environment played a huge part in my sexuality. That was school basically. I'd never thought about girls or boys or any type of relationship before I met my partner.

She was older than me by three years which was a huge deal in high school. She showed a genuine interest in me as a person. We were close friends for a couple of years. I cared for her as she did for me. We exchanged feelings and engaged a proper relationship which basically was what we had but now our feelings were expressed.

I've said it time and time again. I moved to a new country, Australia and I had to go through school which I'd never done before. Had I stayed where we were in Germany, had I not gone to that school, Hell, had I not even been in that role call classroom she was in and I never got to meet her then who knows where I would be today or who I'd be with may be entirely different now.

I recognize as gay, but that's only because I've only layed with women. In fact, there are traits on men I do find myself attracted to. I'm not sure if I'll ever take that leap and experience it or not but we all go through stages I believe and the thought at least may always be there. Can I love a male is the real question. I feel I can't, but I don't think I could love another female like I love the one who's been in my life since that day a long long time ago.

To me, I already have that someone special and together we are special, special enough to open our relationship enough to experience other people and have no set backs. We are strong.

It is true I do not feel the same emotions with males as I do females, this to me gives me the certainty that I am all for women. I never meet males and have an emotional attachment to them where I must see them, but I will fall for nice girls easily. It's what I am used to and I feel I have some level of understanding about them that makes me love them even more.

Still, take me away from that special day long, long ago and it could be interesting what may have happened.

I believe some people were born gay, like my partner who said she'd known always she was attracted to girls. But I also believe there to be people who later in life become gay because I'm the flesh and blood of that little reality.

 

Right wing definition= If you're born gay, you're just chock-full of original sin. If you choose to be gay, you're just chock-full of original sin.

Left wing definition= Who gives a shit? Mind your own beeswax.

 

I have identical twin relatives (same dna)

Twin 1: 170 lbs, fit, gay as they come

Twin 2: 400 lbs, morbidly obese, very straight

Always thought that was interesting

 

Exactly. Why is the question relevant unless you're trying to pressure people to make a specific choice? It doesn't matter at all.

 

I don't necessarily believe I was born gay, but I believe sexuality is more fluid than we tend to recognize, and I believe that though it is certainly not a choice but multiple factors can affect how we end up viewing our own sexuality, forming identity, and even how we express what we feel in the context of physical and romantic love. I also think that there is an early predisposition for a lot of gays because my first crush was at 8 years old on a hunky dude and to me it was natural and girls just never really did anything for me and I know other gays who also recognized their attraction relatively early. But I have a lot of weird opinions and that is all they are.

 

Does it really matter? Live and let live.

 

My belief is more inline with the nature verse nurture component.

What would be interesting is a case of two identical twins, split from birth having turned out one gay, one straight

Having not heard of that, I'm assuming it's genetic. I don't know why I'm attracted to what I am, i just am

 

I am not sure I knew I kinda was. Which really mostly means I was bi. However. I do think I am gay or at least could be. Before I met my wife I found myself for the very first time infatuated with a guy friend. To the point I always wanted to talk to him and see him. I had sexual thoufhts but I think I started having feelings. I think he caught on and ended the friendship. But if I ever loose my wife I plan on coming out. I have always wondered what it would be like to wake up to a man who I really enjoyed being near. Of course the sex part is a lot of it. But i am pretty sure I could be in a relationship with another man. I have often wished I had before I got married.

 

Having followed this debate I feel it is time to enter it - at 64 and having been bisexual all my life I am aware of waxing and waning phases in my life - m2m puberty play, m2f virginity lost at 18 and m2m virginity lost at 19; sexual activity 80:20 female:male until i married at 40 - almost monogamous with my wife for 12 years then 60:40 female:male the last 14 years. Sexuality IS, or can be, a fluid thing VG. We are all different and as everyone here will know there is every range of sexual variation and inclination - vive la difference!

Agreed - does it matter? For my personal perspective I was the sole survivor of twin feotus - maybe then i inherited my flip-flop sexuality from my non-surviving twin - or maybe it was a throwback from a previous generation...they say that you can get hand-down effects sometimes fro several generations back. Whateva, let's celebrate that there are/we are LGBT folk and get in there and enjoy our sex-lives to the full, life is short.

Simon

 

Well, I can only speak from my experience. I never had a gay thought in my life until I was about 15. Jerked off constantly to thoughts of fucking girls. Then one day I was reading a biography of some guy, a true story, and the comment was that "he was obsessed with sex, it was obvious to everyone that he was gay." I slammed the book shut and thought OMG! That's why I am so obsessed with fucking girls! I'm gay and I don't even know it! I was 15 years old and it scared the living shit out of me! I didn't know what to think. There was no one to talk to. But the idea was planted in my head and I couldn't shake it lose. I began to think about it, and then ultimately to fantasize about it. And I just couldn't control it. I would jerk off to it a lot - probably more often than thinking about women. I finally tried it years later. Damn, I wish we had the internet when i was young! It could have solved so many problems for me. Oh well. But in any event, I did get to try it for about a year eventually. I enjoyed it thoroughly - sexually the best getting off I've ever had. But I didn't love the guy. I didn't want to go to dinner with him or the movies or other things. I just wanted to fuck. I never found men attractive - I look at women and think about getting them naked, never with men.

But my experience doesn't make me think that it's a choice. I certainly had no control over my desires. I still have them. I've tried to stop them, but it just doesn't happen. So who care whether its environmental or genes? It's still not a choice.

 

I think sexuality is fluid. It can't be explained. I didn't really even realize that I thought about women in a sexual way until I was around 20. I had dated men and slept with men and somewhat enjoyed it. I don't label it either. I think we're born with a capacity to love (nature) and find everyone attractive, it's just our upbringing and environment (nurture) that determines where we lie on that scale and whether or not we realize and explore it.