Do you remember Morrowind?

I think I had a full set of magic glass armor too, some SICK enchanted weapons... Oh man, this is bringing back some memories.

 

Probably still my favourite game of all time, and way better than skyrim or oblivion in terms of depth. I Spent soooo many hours just listening to podcasts, blazing, and exploring. Ended up making mad stacks off creeper in caldera to pay for a permanent levitation ring (such cheese) and permanent summon atronach so i had a badass companion. Still the pinnacle of what on RPG should be IMO. Create your own class, join something like 20-25 guilds, fly around/teleport/walk on water. Real travel and exploration skills instead of game-ruining fast-travel. Steal cutlery if you want to, pick herbs and make potions, create spells from scratch. Makes me misty eyed just thinking about it. How I wish they hadn't stripped the game of its best parts to end up with the shallow-but-pretty rpg that is skyrim

 

So joining every guild/faction possible and trying to be God-like is what you think the pinnacle of RPG gaming should be?...LOL

yeah because all the methods you mention are soooo realistic..
p.s. you don't have to use fast travel.

uhmm, you can do those things in Skyrim and have been able to since Daggerfall, so don't know what your complaint here is.

You can thank Xbox & Playstation.
In order to make these games function within the constraints of console systems, they stripped out a ton of stuff.
Daggerfall still stands as the most expansive and intricate game of the series.

 

I don't agree consoles are too blame. After all, after Morrowind was released on the pc it was also released on the first xbox. Since I around that time began to favour gaming on the couch with a controller instead of desktop gaming with keyboard and mouse I wanted to start over and finish the game (which i never did... I made a worthy effort though) on xbox. So I know for certain it was not stripped or had more constraints at all.
That rpg's and other genres have become more shallow in terms of difficulty, depth etc. seems to be because the developers aim for the biggest crowd, which happen to be less hardcore gamers in these departments.

 

The biggest crowd today is the console market and I certainly have seen the decline in complexity and depth of games as they have been either ported to a console format or written from the ground up for distribution in various formats.
The other day my friend and I were looking through The Daggerfall Chronicles, the guide for Daggerfall. We we both amazed at how much has been removed from the games, like actual holidays and events and similar.
Things like finding some random book that says to be at some specific place at a specific time and date. sometimes it was something epic and awesome, sometimes you ended up running for your life...LOL.
Sadly those type of things are longer as in depth.

Morrowind was developed from the beginning with the Xbox in mind, so from it's inception it had to be limited in some respects to accommodate consoles limitations.

You already know how I feel about modding these games, something which can't be done on a console, and modding is something that Bethesda most definitely encourages considering it extends the sales life of their games by years. People are still modding for and buying both Morrowind and Oblivion.
Sadly once you play through it on a console, you're done.
With a few mods I can play a different game essentially as often as I want.

I just installed a few more mods for Skyrim that ramped up the ai and combat tactics of the NPC's, and another that reworked all the dragons and made them all unique and a LOT stronger,....
getting my ass handed to me on a regular basis now

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yeah, but you do if you don't want to walk everywhere. i did prefer when it was part of the game, so initially you had to find the silt strider or guild guide or whatever and pay for passage, and eventually you could teach your character spells that made travel easier (and could get you out of a deadly situation occasionally). now you just move a safe distance from enemies and tell the game "pretend i walked to this location."

 

YES!! I played the shit out of that game! Then Oblivion came out. I put like 250 hours into that fricken game... Something about those Bethesda games. I never finish the storyline. EVER. In ANY OF THEIR GAMES!!! Fallout 3, New Vegas, Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim, Dishonored. I always get wrapped up doing side quests (closing Oblivion gates in Oblivion lol) or just wander off and explore caverns, gathering loot XD etc. Skyrim was a little easier to stay on task, and Dishonored is a little different regarding play style... everything else tho, the old classics, it's always the same.

1.) Do first 3 quests.

2.) Wander off and lose track of storyline.

3.) What year is it? Who's the president right now?! XD

 

i came close in the fallout games. i've played fallout 3 and new vegas 2 or 3 times each, and i think every single time i quit at or during the final quest. with the elder scrolls i never even come close. might have gotten a little past the halfway point in my first play through of skyrim.

interesting that this thread re-emerges now, i recently got a new PC and installed morrowind on it a couple weeks ago. this computer can actually handle it, and i'm having a great time playing it.

 

Haha, why wouldn't a new pc not be able to handle an old game like Morrowind?

 

I got pretty close with Fallout New Vegas. All those game-changing decisions really throw me, and I got to a certain point where I was just like "Nope, I'm not making a choice here. Take THAT Bethesda!" hah. I still remember my brother telling me, "You didn't beat Fallout 3?!?!" and he was much more or a passive gamer.

Oh. You'd be surprised how shoddy some electronics are. Especially during the initial crossover to 64-bit. I tell people all the time, my laptop is better used as a paperweight. Come to find out, they used cooling pads instead of gel on the processor or graphics chip? Which I'm told dries up faster and creates more heat than anything. If I ever get the cajones to open this thing up, I might take the pads out and see if it helps. Even 2D gaming is a pain! I can't load youtube videos without it sounding like a vacuum.

 

Hm that's intriguing. I recently talked with a trusty nerd friend (he usually knows his stuff, so I often am inclined to just rely on what he says ) and when I told him I am sometimes slightly bothered by the amount of noise my old pc makes he said well, new computers don't make noise anymore

 

Playin this game right now. Probably my all time favorite game. Becoming horator of the great houses is a pain in the ass though

 

What about getting that corpus disease in the dungeons of one of those Telvanni houses! Talking about a pain in the ass....

 

Corprusarium in tel fyr? Yeah my dude is immune to that now

 

Cool man, that sounds handy Did you meet the dwarf there?

 

Yeah after you get to a certain point in the main quest you get immune to corprus disease. Yeah the last surviving dwarf with the mechanical spider legs. I love all the good loot there if you can unlock 100 locks

 

i remember a table top rpg called the morrow project. i remember playing through one campaign of it. this was some time in the early to mid 80s. when personal computers anyone could afford were still 8-bit, and anything like an x-box or a play station was still decades in the future.

 

now, i don't see why it couldn't. except maybe some compatibility issues, but i haven't had any significant problem (except losing my video settings every time my computer installs updates). but when i originally got the game for pc, it was more than my computer could really handle. walking across ald'ruhn in an ash storm would take me an hour back then, because i would take 3 steps, then it would load for a minute, then 3 more steps, then load for two minutes, and so on. ash storms were the worst, but it was like that no matter where i was.

kind of a testament to what a great game it was that i still played it 5 hours a day for an entire summer with that going on.

 

Yeah I recall the first pc I played it on (the only pc back then in my parents house) had a hard time loading the heaviest stuff too. Nobody was happy with me installing and running all kinds of programs on that pc (the original napster , games etc.) so I soon got my own, which at that point was up to date to run most games smooth. Didn't stay topnotch for newer games for long of course, but it did ran Morrowind well. Later got it for the first xbox so I didn't have to think about installing and updating shit at all (when I got an xbox I never went back to pc gaming)

 

Good examples