Do you own a gun?

Perspective from the sticks:

On a working farm, it's almost a crime not to have a gun. When I was a child on the dairy farm, my dad refused to own a gun. So, instead, I watched my dad beat animals in the head with a club if they needed to be put out of their misery...

And, I lived without a gun for a few years as an adult, and you don't even know what it's like to NOT have one when you are faced with HAVING to put down a dying pet or a horse with a broken leg...

 

Think of it this way: before there were guns, there were swords. There have been swords for thousands of years, and during those thousands of years I'm certain that murders and slayings by sword happened just as often, if not MORE often than they do now with guns.


Can you imagine how idiotic you would have sounded 500 years ago saying we need to get rid of all the swords? The point is, people have always been killing each other. Sure, guns make it easier...but now that the gun has been invented, there will ALWAYS be guns. Just like once the sword was invented, there would always be new swords being made.

Even if you could somehow immediately get rid of all the guns in the world, the very next day thousands of basement-gun factories around the world would spring up. This is a fact.

The only people that obey gun laws are law-obeying people, duh! So if the criminals are ALWAYS going to have guns, and always going to be a threat to the general public...then you HAVE to allow people the means to defend themselves in the most effective way possible!


It's always tragic when a suicidal scumbag decides to go on a shooting spree at a school...but no amount of gun control will ever be able to stop that. All it takes is for JUST ONE loony to get his hands on a gun, JUST ONE TIME and you have a massacre on your hands.

If anything, allowing trained, licensed, background-checked citizens to carry guns is the best deterrent to these tragedies. This has been shown to be true. More than one tragedy has been averted thanks to an armed law-abiding citizen being on scene because as they say, "when SECONDS count, the police are just MINUTES away!".

We've all seen the way the cops respond to these school shooting instances. By the time they all arrive, everyone's been shot. And even still, they just set up their perimeter and prepare to carry out the bodies. And the same goes for home invasions. I've seen police responses take 15-20 minutes...just in time to photo the bodies!

 

im a pacifist

 

Hehe, this makes no sense at all. 500 years ago the world was very different, if you would live in western europe of the 1500's for instance it would seem like an alien society to you. Although humans don't chance as quick as societies we do act differently in a very different one.
There's no need for the average american citizen to have a gun, if one has one how many times does he use it to really save his life or property? 500 years ago things were very different. Peasants were killed just as easily by nobles as by criminals.

Probably, so what? We should buy one because of that? You can't even get rid of all the guns in the world, so this doesn't make much sense either.

Lots of countries with stronger gun control then the states (including my country) are proving that it can be stopped with that. It's also a fact that the guns of those kids that started shooting at schools were bought in the average american gunstore. But obviously american's policy is just fine right.

I'm not sure, but this could be a start for improvement indeed. Let the people who want to have a gun put some effort in it.

 

I TOTALLY agree. This is simply common sense. Glad someone has some. Oh, and HERE it can take as much as 45 minutes to an hour for a cop to show up if anyone is fool enough to call them in the first place.

 

What the hell do I need a gun for? I live in Canada. Also, Why are you people talking about guns on a hippism site? Posers

 

Exactly my point of view

Also necessary in this case, I think. I don't mind the black market in general though

 

Means he needs one too?

 

Think of a home-defense firearm like you would think of an at-home fire extinguisher. The chances of you needing to use it on any given day are very very low. Yet, most people would say it's a good idea to be prepared for when the moment comes that you do need it.

As ttip pointed out, there are tens of thousands of documented cases every year where someone was able to save themselves or their family from harm by using their legally-kept firearm. In the U.S., roughly 1 out of every 30 homes will be broken into this year. The police will prevent or solve almost none of these crimes.

THINK, people. It's about personal accountability, NOT government hand holding - in spite of what you've been led to believe. The government is not there to take care of you. When all is said and done, that's your job.

 

I honestly believe that us humans would be far better off if we would BOYCOTT the police. That is, don't call them for ANYTHING. It is common knowledge that a cop takes a while to show up if you call them anyhow. If I were a criminal, for example, I could have someone call in a false 9-11 emergency call on one end of the county, and while the cops were all there having fun, I could rob, pillage, or do just about anything I want on the other end of the county and have plenty of time. The only thing I WOULD be worried about is someone shooting at me...

I see over and over again where people have called the cops for something only to be treated as if THEY were somehow a criminal themselves. Far as they are concerned we are all the enemy. I'd FAR rather take my chances just like in the "Wild West" where people took care of themselves and their own, and the cops many times were just as criminal as the bank robbers... Because actually, the cops ARE that criminal, it's just that people don't realize it anymore until it's too late. Humans are FOOLS to place their safety and their trust in police officers hands!

 

Well then do it like a man, not some wangster pussy. I hate people who try to act like 50 cent.

 

That's a lie, i just looked it up. Americans tend to do that alot, haha. Nobody in Canada needs a gun because there's nothing down here to be afraid of. You on the other hand can be robbed of your life in so many ways at anytime in America. We have free health care, we still take care of the sick an the old instead of sending them off to die somewhere. We don't send kids to iraq to get killed or to kill innocent people for nothing. We don't bomb entire countrys with nuclear wepons, and because of that, we also don't have to be looking over our heads for a japanese planes who are going to pay us back by dropping a nuclear bomb on us like America does. It's gonna happen. But not to Canada, because we don't bother anybody. We don't ignore the fact that millions of people get burned alive(the holocaust) until somebody(Canada) kicks you in the ass until you get moving to go save them. We're not litered with raical predjedise, across Canada we all love and care for each other. We don't cover up our crappy country(because there's no need to because Canada is beautiful)with bullshit media and lies. We don't ruin innocent people's live's, especially if their not even in our country! (cough cough marc emery!) Our jails aren't ment to put people(half not even guilty) in a cell and have them beaten, raped and unjustified by gaurds,cell mates and cops. If I said hello to somebody on the streets in US, the person says nothing just looks at you all scared and sticks to the walls and trys to squeeze passed you because they fear for their life. When you say hello to somebody in Canada its "hows she goin! Lets go grab a beer buddy!" We're aloud to smoke all the weed we want without cops bugging us, because %99.9 of ours smoke it too, because there's nothing wrong with smoking weed! Even though america shoots people and sends them to jail for life over SEEDS!! Everybody in the world is waiting on America to stop being so ignorant and catch up to the rest of the world, we've all wanted to live in peace for so long but could never do it because of America! Overthrow your fucking goverment and president, join canada and war on your OWN COUNTRY! THE ONLY FUCKING PLACE THAT EVER NEEDED TO HAVE THE SHIT FLUSHED OUT OF IT IN THE FIRST PLACE! GROW SOME FUCKING BALLS! Sorry got a little off topic there, i just love living in Canada, and am so happy and would rather live an sleep in the goddam ground before i ever stepped foot in America. Canada's the home of the free. Anyway, haha look it up anywhere. 95 million Americans own guns. In 2007 it was reported that only %23 percent of Canadians have guns. Mostly reserves, native's or anyone just for hunting(hunting rifles) or cops. Beside's Canada's not the one that's offing people in record numbers, that's America. Canada should be aloud to have guns, Americans shouldn't! Just look at it logically, look at history. Canada is the greatest thankyou. In closing I don't hate all Americans, so don't get right pissed off, i'm pissed at the American goverment and white house. I'm pissed that most Americans, not you, but most Americans don't have the balls do stand up for there owncoun try, because just because their the president, white house and goverment doesn't mean America belongs to them, it belongs to you more, so stand up for it. Alot of Americans are my hero's and i have lots of american friends but America it self is a big peice of monkey crap and anybody that says they love living in America and is full of nationalism and is proud of there country over Canada is full of crap just like their ignorant president. Just for the record, the UK is pretty fucking awesome too!

 

sorry. if someone wants to shoot me they'll just have to bring their own.

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Tparkboy
Whats exactly are you saying is a lie?

 

I'm Canadian, and I own 9 firearms.

To be fair though, they are all for hunting.

 

For hunting. Nobody hurts anybody down here. I didn't actually go door to door and figure out that %23 percent of Canadians have guns, i just looked it up. Like I said, mostly for Native reserves, hunting or police. Beside's its your right as a Canadian to own a gun, we've earned it through showing we're responsible. All Americans have showed is that they shouldn't be aloud to have that right. Infact they shouldn't be aloud alot of rights they have. They've takin them for granted so many times in the past and everybody just sits back and lets them, and we will until they destroy the world. Their already doing it through pollution. Its like giving a loaded gun to a 9 year old to play with. The only cause I have ever realized to go to war with another country that is right, is that all countries should join together and take the firepower out of America's hands and give all the control to us Canadians. Not be cause I'm an arrogant Canadian, because everyone else in the world can see that through history and the now, that if the world revolved around Canada instead of the US the world would be a much better, sensible and fair controlled place. Also, because i'm concerned and pretty positive at the same time, that if we continue to let them, they will kill us all. I'm pretty sure they've also already made it almost ireverseable, in that my daughter won't be able to have grand children because global warming and pollution will have ended her life before she gets the chance. Do you agree?

 

Im still trying to figure out what Tparkboy is saying is a "lie"?

 

There is a difference between "aloud" and "allowed". One means noisy, one means permissible. I don't mean to be a grammar Nazi, but you aren't doing yourself or your argument a favour.

A couple of points:

a) The difference between American and Canadian values is minimal. In areas where the difference is noticable (deference to authority, etc), the gap is closing. Other than us being much, much better at Hockey and Curling, and our football league being much, much more interesting (but less-skilled), there is little to no difference between cultures. The difference between American and Canadian international relations rests largely on the fact that we are a middle-power. We don't have the capability to assert military power, so we rest on a disappearing moral-power. If we happened to have emerged as the de facto superpower after the Second World War, we wouldn't have acted any differently. Not that I condone the war in Iraq; it's moronic. You just don't realize that your average Canadian is as big a moron as your average American.

b) I have no idea how you came up with the idea that it is a "Canadian" right to own a gun. It certainly isn't enshrined in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms or elsewhere in the constitution. The Americans have a much stronger legal right to own weapons, although the traditional "right to bear arms" is largely taken out of context - to the best of my knowledge, it actually refers to the right of states to form militias.

I just find it funny that you're asserting superiority, when the difference isn't in culture but in circumstance.

 

Tparkboy, what part of "1 in 140,000 legal gun owners use their guns in a crime" do you not understand, eh? Can you get it through your head what I'm talking aboot?

 

I find it funny that you don't back up any of your points with logic. Your obviously an idiot. Lol, sorry i was in a hurry and i spelt a word wrong this morning, you know, nobody's ever done that before. Moron. Everything I said is true because I back it up with logic, everything you say is just a barrage of stupidity with an attemp to cover it up with the fact that you like to look through the dictionary and pick out big words to put in your comments. Lol, what an IDIOT!! With no logic behind your quotes. By the way, you forgot better beer and drugs. Back up your claims and then maybe I will prove you wrong some more. Until then stay the fuck off my threads with your worthless, dribble.