Do you feel that Gods expectations are unrealistic?

I saw this video and it made me think of your question, JMT. You may like it:

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Exactly, no.

Yes he is.

No, he is not.

No it hasn't.

Never said I did.

Yes it does.

Yes it does.

It is you that calls God's hand short and I would say that makes you deluded. If God can make man alive out of inanimate dust then it should not be impossible for God to make what you call inanimate, alive if he chooses. (Hebrews 4:12)

I already answered but I'll spell it out for you. Love is an emotion not a person and can neither love or hate in of its self.

 

There you go again, I'm not your judge or jury. I'm not trying to find you guilty. In fact I have to ask guilty of what?

And that is the trouble, you're being being mislead by this "holy spirit" of yours while you ignore God's Holy Spirit.

Talk about having your head buried in the sand.

Okay, tell me is rape, murder and child abuse evil or are you saying that they just don't exist and are just a figment of our "judgments"?

I love life so I hate murder, I love women so I hate rape and I love children so I hate child abuse.

I think I just showed that Hate can very well spring from love.

Vociferously?

Forgiveness? What are you trying to say?

Yes it does.

 

Let me refine it for you.
God is love. Love is not a sensation or emotion, it is creative force.
Is kindness an emotion? Is patience an emotion? Is not seeking your own an emotion? Is never failing an emotion. Is hoping all things, believing all things, bearing all things an emotion? You are deluded.

Waterbrother , you know the letter but without the spirit it is nothing. Your idea of love is no more than selfish affection.

 

You have not asked for the blessing of the holy spirit. You do not recognize the holy spirit because you do not allow the holy spirit to choose for you.

This is the meaning of as you judge so you are judged, or the measure you give is the measure you receive.
Waterbrother do you do even one thing that christ instructed?

No, I am saying your judgments have power over your perceptions, they are not figments of your imagination but an agreement of mind to have the phenomena continue. That is the reason to practice forgiveness, forgive not hate. Jesus uses the parable of the forgiveness of relative debt. Who is apt to be more grateful, the one forgiven ten, or the one forgiven ten thousand?
The truth sets us free, not honoring the illusion that gods son is unlike his father. He appears he is unlike his father because he does not know what he is doing. Do not judge by appearances but rather use right judgment.

No, you just demonstrated that you do not know the difference. Love never finds cause for hate. They are not the same, they are different.

Hate comes from judgment. Forgiveness is the remedy for hate.

 

The loving mind does not entertain rape or murder. The loving mind cannot be the source of rape or murder, but the hateful mind most certainly can.

 

No, it doesn't, it just shows that you're familiar with the Bible and not that you don't ignore it when it suits you.

What the Scripture is saying is some of the things the Bible can be used for, only one of which is teaching.

I did.

You can not give life.

Thanks, I know what it means but I don't think you do.

Yep.

Are you condemned? Sorry to hear that.

Okay, I admit it, I have judged murder, rape and child abuse as evil and thus hate them. Oh by the way, where do stand on murder, rape and child abuse.

I do not deny myself the blessings of the Holy Spirit but I hope you won't mind if don't avail myself of your "holy spirit".

As for being without sin, I think I'll go with what the Bible says: If we make the statement: “We have no sin,” we are misleading ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous so as to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we make the statement: “We have not sinned,” we are making him a liar, and his word is not in us. (1 John 1:8-10)

Really? That would seem to leave a lot of things unloved by you.

Affections? I don't think God ever said that we should have affection for hate but it is a useful tool that God says to use against what is bad.

Unrelentingly.

 

You reject God's love and yet you continue to try and tell others what love is and what it is not. I would suggest that you get your own house in order first.

 

Why do you continue to tell lies like this, it does seem very loving from a person who's life is supposed to be based on love.

I recognize the Holy Spirit just fine and it is not the job of the Holy Spirit to take away your free will.

I can't help it if you can't handle the truth.

:smilielol5: What did you have in mind?

No? That's all I wanted to know. Thanks for answering the question. So Rape, Murder and Child Abuse are not evil to you, that says a lot about what you think love is.

Once again you show that you have no clue what love is. Love is not some mamby pamby emotion that does not care what happens to those who are loved.

You're losing it. God judges, does hate come from his judgments?

 

Still trying to come up with an excuse for not doing what God commands.

For this is what the love of God means, that we observe his commandments; and yet his commandments are not burdensome (1 John 5:3)

 

This is a really dishonest and intellectually arrogant portrayal. My father in heaven knows me in secret. You do not.

No, you just made the distinction. All of those items are degrees of instruction.

God has given me life, it is mine in turn to give. I love god with all my strength and heart, and soul, and my brother as though he were myself.
No greater love has a man than he give his life for a brother.

It is christ that shows us the truth of gods children. I think I'll go with the redemption from sin that christ taught and the direction, go and sin no more

No one who abides in him sins. the reason the son of god appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. not to preserve them. No one born of god commits sin for gods nature abides in him and he cannot sin because he is born of god. and by this we know that he abides in us, by the spirit he has given us.

Affections as in focus of the heart. The loving heart and the hating are not the same heart. If you believe they are, you make both terms love and hate, meaningless.

Waterbrother you are an amazing foil for demonstrating all the ways you can be insincere of humility, bringing in with such stark clarity the attitudes and distortions put forth by the scribes and pharisees.

I want to thank you again for serving your community of brethren without regard for your self effacement.

 

Get a grip, what I said is not a portrayal of you. I merely pointed that your saying that you quoting the Bible proved you didn't ignore the Bible, that it ain't necessarily so.

No but I guess I should have know that wouldn't male any difference to you.

Really? And who have you resurrected lately?

Well, it seems you can paraphrase the Bible.

Really? So where is all that "mercy not sacrifice" "go learn what it means" that you've been spouting, now?

Too late, you've already basically said there is no sin and that all mankind including yourself are perfect and sinless, you can't have it both ways.

And now the Devil exists and has works? Don't you even read what you write?

This is getting tiresome, don't you get tired of jumping around from one contradictory idea to another.

So then, do you really believe that when God gave us the command to hate what is bad, he was making the terms love and hate meaningless?

Let me ask you a question, do you really think when Jesus threw the money changers out of the temple, he did so because he loved what they were doing? And when Jesus called the scribes and pharisees, snakes and vipers and called them whitewashed graves full of dead man's bones, he did so because he loved what they were doing? I would say he did it because he hated what they were doing. Does that mean that Jesus himself was making the terms love and hate meaningless?

Actually, it's amazing how fast you to turn to judging when you think it's to your advantage. What was it you said? Wasn't it something like hate coming from judgment?

 

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Really? And who have you resurrected lately?

No greater love has a man that he give his life.

The only sacrifice that god desires is that you give up your hardness of heart.
I desire mercy not sacrifice.

No one knows the hour. I will say whatever the holy spirit leads me to say whenever the holy spirit leads me to say it. I haven't basically said anything. I have precisely said what I was instructed.

watergrother, why do you have to behave idiotically

Which contradictory idea is that? That hate and love are not the same thing.

No I believe you do not comprehend the meaning of either love nor hate because you think they are the same. Or that there are elements of hate inside of love. How about not calling upon evil.

How could he hate those things? The reason he did it is for instruction not to assuage his hate. Further this particular issue is central to his teaching, to get the money changers out of gods temple. god's temple being the devotional heart of man.

This is what it looks like. You regard your brother against a value you think he should measure up to. If he does not measure up, If he does not meet the asking price, he does not receive any investment from you.
Jesus comes saying, you don't know the value of anything. God's temple is meant to be a house of prayer for all natures. That we can commune with god as we are, created in his likeness and image. The measure we give
is the measure we receive.

I do not hate you. Hate comes from judgment, I ask the holy spirit to make distinctions for me, and holy spirit shows me you are a child of god. Whatever spirit informs you, declares that I am without god.
You know it is not I that has denied the holy spirit. What are we to make then of your demonstration here. The fact is you do not recognize the holy spirit because the holy spirit does not speak for you nor you for the spirit.

You are pharisaic;
self-righteously obsessed with rules: acting with hypocrisy, self-righteousness, or obsessiveness with regard to the strict adherence to rules and formalities. You read the letter but you do not know the spirit.
You are self righteous in that you think your particular interpretation or the bible is the only one. Self righteous is an attitude. While it will not immediately kill you, it makes it impossible for you to correctly identify new information, or access information that is beyond your own determinations. You refuse to let go of your sin and allow the holy spirit to teach you another way. Or course why would you want to sin no more, You hold your sin up as a badge of proof that you are in accordance with "what the bible says". That is the saddest interpretation I've ever heard.

I have been a naturalist all my life. I can identify animals in the field. You have all the identical markings of a pharisee. You neither invite the holy spirit in nor do you acknowledge that anyone else could have it. That is of course unless they believe precisely as you do, in which case the holy spirit happens to be found only in your particular beliefs about the bible. If the holy spirit does not speak through you, then you do not speak for the holy spirit. There has been no tongue of fire descend on you to light your way. If the light in you be darkness then how great the darkness.

Even sadder your interpretations of the bible were not given you by the holy spirit but by an earthly mindset adopted by some organization. Your vision of the organization of the world was handed to you through some kind of help or interpretive literature. What you teach and what christ teaches, is not the same.

 

Again waterbrother, what sayings of christ do you keep?

 

Why do you ask do you wish to judge me? Or is it that you really don't know what the saying of Jesus are and want me to list them for you?

 

No, I ask because as you stand for yourself, your witness shows you what your practice is. As you witness about the values in your heart, you might hear the holy spirit speaking to you, rather than leaning toward a belief system to tell you what to feel.
As you teach, you learn what is inside of you. I do not wish to judge, the holy spirit comes to teach, not to judge. The only truth that anyone ever has
is the truth they allow into their awareness and that is not registered, save you share it in truth, with your brother. The measure you give is the measure you receive. Not the measure you withhold for yourself.

The holy spirit sees both the truth about you and the error you have made regarding your brother. It does not condemn but illumines the difference between what is true and what is not.

In regards to the nomenclatures in the bible, we must regard them with a grain of salt or wisdom. If your belief strains credulity, it is not credulous. We know that the ills that trail us are not caused by demons. The word demons, is a symbol chosen to represent principle, i.e. that which plagues or torments us. The word does not describe spirit creatures. The purpose of belief is to lead you toward improved perception, not put you at odds with the visible phenomena of the world.

 

If we comprehend that sin is missing the sign of god, then we see that sin is an error in identification. From this consistent perspective the passage about whoever says they are without sin, interprets "whoever says they cannot be mistaken in their perceptions."

It is for the reason that I can be mistaken in my perceptions, that I have asked the holy spirit to make distinctions for me. The holy spirit accepts gods judgment of creation and shows us the difference between that and what we make of ourselves and our brothers.

 

Yes, give his life and that is what Jesus did but you are the one that says that did not give his life for others. So which is it? You can't have it both ways.

So you don't know or care that what you say is contradictory and are just a puppet for your "holy spirit.

Idiotically? I'm not the one that is a puppet for a spirit creature that has me defending a contradictory message.

Come on Dope, I've never said that love and hate are the same thing, at least try and stick to the truth.

Okay, I'll restate a few for you, is Satan the Devil just a idea or concept or is he a being with works? Is mankind in a state of sin that it needs to be redeemed from or are they sinless? Did Jesus give his life for others or did Jesus not sacrifice his live?

Once again I do not believe they are the same thing. As for "elements of hate inside of love", as I pointed out, I love people so I hate murder, I love women so I hate rape and I love children so I hate child abuse. How about you, do love people, women and children and are ambivalent as to the things that are harmful to them?

What in the world are you taking about?

Because they were perverting true worship and bring dis honor to his father.

Unlike you, Jesus followed the commands of God, one of which is to love what is good and hate what is bad.

You really don't know what you are talking about do you. Jesus drove the money changers of of a physical temple because zeal for God's house ate him up.

What in the world are you talking about? Once again you just make up things about me and try to force them upon me. According to what you believe, that is not being loving.

Yeah right, that excuse is as old as Adam. It's the "holy spirit" you gave me.

The Bible, God's Word written under inspiration of the Holy Spirit, tells who is with or without God and what the signs are. All I've ever done is point out that what you say doesn't agree with the Bible. Now if you are saying that the Spirit that informs me, declares that you are without God then if I were you I'd take that seriously.

No, one knows any such thing, as I've pointed out many times before; you don't obey God's commands, you reject God's love and you reject his son Jesus. That would seem to be a pretty good sign that you are denying the Holy Spirit.

Your logic is faulty, President Obama does not speak for me nor do I speak for him but I certainly recognize him. Likewise the Holy Spirit does not speak for me nor do I speak for the Holy Spirit but I certainly recognize the Holy Spirit.

Well I guess that you're going to say that it's not you that is making this judgment but it is the "holy spirit's" judgment. But you say that; Hate comes from judgment, so I would say that would make what you call the "holy spirit", mighty hateful.

Well there you go, you still don't believe that God's Word the Bible inspired by Holy Spirit is of any value, that is unless you pull it out of context and twist it into something that your spirit creature approves of. You say that what what I teach and what the Christ teaches, is not the same but how would you know? I actually listen to what the Christ says but you don't care what Jesus has said, you only care what your spirit creature says and if it doesn't like what Jesus said then Jesus didn't say it.

Well here is something the Christ Jesus said: For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

When you understand what this means maybe then you will know what love means.

 

So then you know it is my practice to follow all of Jesus' sayings.

Well it is fairly easy to see that you have no belief system, actually no system at all since what you say keeps contradicting itself.

I have received free and I give freely. I'm not withholding anything.

Yes, it has seen your error.

It seems your "good buddy" doesn't want you to know he exists.

 

Sin literally means missing the mark, not missing some kind of sign and thus is not some error in identification. Thus your interpretation, misses the mark of what God's word is saying.

You see, you started off with the misconception that there is no Satan or Demons and so accepted without question that the spirit creature that introduced itself to you must be what it says it is "holy spirit". Now you believe whatever it says must be true no matter what. The problem is you never put it to the test.

(1 John 4:1) Beloved ones, do not believe every inspired expression, but test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God, because many false prophets have gone forth into the world.
(1 Timothy 4:1) However, the inspired utterance says definitely that in later periods of time some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired utterances and teachings of demons
(Galatians 1:8-9) However, even if we or an angel out of heaven were to declare to YOU as good news something beyond what we declared to YOU as good news, let him be accursed. As we have said above, I also now say again, Whoever it is that is declaring to YOU as good news something beyond what YOU accepted, let him be accursed.