Do you feel that Gods expectations are unrealistic?

That's what I'm talking about, what is coming out of you.

And I perceive Love just just fine, so the problem seems to be on you're end.

God is not leaving anything unattended.

What secrets?

Interesting.
So where is Jesus? Dead? In the grave?

Satan quoted from the Bible as well. Oh wait you don't believe Satan exists. I guess that's part if the Bible you don't ignore by ignoring it.

And if you love evil that pretty much makes you evil.

Personally I believe we can learn God's love and display it in our lives.

Once again you turn your back on Jesus and God's Love, you who give lip service to love but in your actions turn your back on it.
(John 3:16) “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.

It hasn't seemed to help you much.

 

You keep saying that I believe that the Bible is the Holy Spirit. I have already told you I don't believe that and even showed how you took what I said out of context to try and prove that. You're continuing to say that is what I believe, even after being shown that it is not true, makes it a lye and you a liar.

 

It seems that your "holy spirit" has taught you that love means lying about others.

 

What is coming out of me, that love and hate are not the same.

The measure you give is the measure you receive. If you do not perceive love it is because you have judged against it. You do not, I repeat vociferously, do not comprehend the meaning of the measure you give is the measure you receive, or the meaning of the statement, it is not what goes into a man that defiles him but what comes out.

I said none.
Interesting.

With everyone who invites him in. The spirit of the sonship is one.

You were not paying attention. I said satan is a slander against the holy son of god, not a spirit creature.

I never said I loved evil. I said love and hate are not the same. The only evil is the slander against gods holy child.

God is love, and gods love is unconditional. Being created in the likeness of your father, love is what you are.

Do you know what unconditional means?
It means there are no conditions that you can satisfy or emulate, no conditions that you can learn. As I say, love is beyond what can be taught, but we can remove the barriers that we have built up against it.

What actions waterbrother?

Your seeming rises from your measure, not mine.
Knowing the holy spirit is like being shown all of the punch lines. The mind becomes clear and you find good reason to be grateful for your brother.

 

What again, am I lying about waterbrother?

 

Dope, I know many people that are lead by the Holy Spirit and the first thing that the Holy Spirit does is show them that the Bible is the Word of God and not as you have been taught by what you call the holy spirit the word of man, that you can just pick and choose from.

I can only hope that you read through what you have written and see the disrespect that you have shown toward God's Word the Bible and come to your senses.

You say that John put a spin on it but we know that John had Holy Spirit poured out on him at Pentecost. Are you saying that someone we know had the Holy Spirit can be wrong? You say you have holy spirit, does that mean that you can also be wrong? Is the Holy Spirit divided against its self? Once again could your "holy spirit" be something else, could it be misleading you?

 

Once again:

Has your "holy spirit" made you blind and removed your understanding, as well as made you a liar?

 

Do You not believe the bible to be the voice of the holy spirit, the living word of god?

Further there is this.
You don't believe that god has a personal relationship with his children, you don't enter in, for that belief. Nor do you allow me to enter for the sake of that belief.
Am I lying about this. It is a perfect description of what scribes, in the sense of "rule of letters", do.

 

No I have not. I said the holy spirit came because I asked for it. The holy spirit is the communication between god and his son. He sees both the son god created and the error you have made of him and shows you how the sonship is healed. The son of god is innocent. In your last judgment against him he shall appear as god has judged him. This is my beloved son, in who I am well pleased. God created man in his own likeness and image.

I pray that the holy spirit may bless your understanding. Gods word is a living word waterbrother, you would relegate him to a library shelf.

No, the holy spirit is not divided against itself, nor does it divide the sonship
placing one above the other. I am not saying john is wrong, I am saying that it is johns emphasis. Just like paul added personal emphasis. We all have our personal god given understanding or talent for detail. The holy spirit speaks to us in a way that we personally can understand or identify. Further I had shown you that gods only begotten son is innocent, he has created no other.

 

God places no expectations on any one.He supplied Christ,and Christ is the only expectation.With Christ in you as your only life,He fulfills all of God's expectations in you.Ephs2:10 we are His workmanship inChrist unto good works He before ordained that walk therein.
Christ is sufficiant enough.With Christ in you,you would not desire things,and he bares all in us.

 

The Bible is the living word of God but is not the voice the Holy Spirit. Even if I believed that the Bible is the voice of the Holy Spirit, which I don't, that still would not mean that I believe the Bible to be the Holy Spirit. So please stop lying about it.

What do you mean by personal relationship? I believe that at this time God has a personal relationships with mankind but only through his Son Jesus Christ.

Yes you are. The scribes were condemned because they were teaching the traditions of man and making the commands of God invalid.

 

Everyone knows that, the problem is that you confuse love and hate.

Exactly, it is what is coming out of you that is condemning you.

Yep.

Not a spirit being at the right hand of God? You really do like to make it up don't you.

Satan is a slander against the holy son of god? So when Jesus was tempted by Satan in the wilderness, how did that work?

And how do you feel about that evil? Do you hate it or are you so filled with "love" that you love that evil also?

You really like trying to make God one dimensional don't you. The only problem is God not one dimensional.

Yes but the problem is you don't know what is meant by love.

And here is the proof that you don't know what love is.

Okay, do you accept Jesus' ransom sacrifice?

Once again, have you accepted Jesus' ransom sacrifice? If not then your knowing the "holy spirit" hasn't done you much good, in fact it has caused you to reject God's love.

 

Well I don't know how else to describe the fundamental disconnect you have between what is animate and what is not. The bible does not make a single sound. I am not lying about anything. I am showing the effect of your belief. You do not recognize the holy spirit.

This one. If a man loves me, he will keep my word and my father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.

What does that mean. I can assure you, if you earnestly desire the gift of the holy spirit then you would tacitly know gods presence and hear the only voice that can teach you the truth about gods son. It is for this purpose that christ is raised up, he must go that the comforter may come.

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You cannot make the commands of god invalid.
You are the scribe in this scenario. You uphold the cannon of bible, but you do not ask for the holy spirit because you think "gods word" is sufficient, and because you don't ask for the holy spirit to choose for you, you do not recognize the holy spirit in me, you don't let me in either.
This is the living word of god. Not something said of historical scribes, but living ones.

 

The Holy Spirit is not divided against its self.

We know that John had the Holy Spirit poured out on him, tongues of fire and all that as proof. We know that John was a disciple of Christ and worked shoulder to shoulder with Jesus. But you say that John didn't get it right, even with the help of the Holy Spirit and now you with your "holy spirit" have to fix the "spin" or "emphasis" John put on it. Well the point is how do we know that anything you say is right? That you don't have a "spin" or "emphasis" that needs fixing.

The big trouble is that it isn't just "spin" or "emphasis" that is the difference between what you say and what John said. They are totally different. This making either John's Holy Spirit or your "holy spirit" a liar.

John wrote that Jesus was a ransom and you say he was not, that is not just "spin" or "emphasis" that is totally opposite thoughts.

 

The holy spirit is something that time contends about in time. If it lives it is the happening which lives of time fulfilling from the Past. Procreation is made out in the baptizing for the existence of the Word. I think that thedope wants too much to make good of all forms of pro-creative words. Just emerging against the emergent about is Pagan.

 

Does love hate?

You are seeking to condemn me, you behold me condemned because I do not uphold your beliefs, but brother I uphold the fact that you are child of god even if you consider yourself something less.

Where ever two or more are gathered in my name I am there among you.
As I am brought up by you , I need not worry what I shall say for in this very hour the spirit instructs me.

I don't understand the question, but if you will notice, jesus reclused himself
from all civilized means of support immediately after baptism. He was seeking first the kingdom. The slander in that instance is that the son of god is perishable and that his glory is bound up in transience or is only transiently displayed.

I forgive.

There is only one god.

The problem is you do not recognize spirit and so you find reason to condemn
your brother.

I love god with all my soul and strength and mind and I love my brother because the I am I call myself is the same I am you call yourself.

What sacrifice?

 

You weren't reading carefully. You are skimming over to try and prove your points. Say you are led by the spirit to believe as you do but you use that truth to drive a wedge into the wholeness of the sonship. I cannot possibly have the gift of the holy spirit because I don't regard the bible to be the living word of god, but recorded words of god and godly belief. We must be as wise a serpents yet innocent as doves. You must be true but your truth must not make your brother guilty. Further if the truth in you be darkness how great the darkness.

No it is not. You are not harmonizing with the whole truth. I desire mercy not sacrifice, sacrifice was never required. He gave his life to demonstrate the truth about the son of god and what we do to each other and the world in our ignorance. No matter how you accuse him or punish him, or snuff him out, you cannot defile his innocence because it is given by god. Death, sin, has no power over life.
Every time you condemn someone you are attempting to crucify the son of god all over again.

Yes, his route is seen as ransom for many. I said that jesus did not sacrifice himself. Christ lives.

 

Judge not. Solution is equal measure. The world seen as light and dark is a negative image, the back of the tapestry appearing all loose thread and indistinct, having not the color at all of clear, unadulterated vision. I want for nothing in a real world.

 

Then why do you reject God's love?

 

Condemn? You do like to accuse me of this but as I've told before, it is not in my power to condemn or judge. I've merely pointed out that what you say conflicts with what the Bible says, if that makes you feel condemned then I suggest you bring your beliefs into harmony with Bible principles.