Do you feel that Gods expectations are unrealistic?

Aeeeh, our will is the Will of kindness and eyeing each other with jealousy and understanding that the other can get better marks than you; God's will is the golden will of allowing space to the free sharing of wealth. We are thus never for or against each other. Egoistically we can count on ourselves.

 

I would point out that the bible is compiled from a collection of sources. Individual treatises were chosen to be extended and preserved and some were not. Within the legitimate auspices of "christianity", we find scriptural cannon to vary. The catholic, oldest and most representative, has produced a mountain of contemporary divining script.

Your own representation in these matters is informed by contemporary interpretations that were fashioned by other men, but that you agree with.
This has been true of myself also but I have learned to take everything with a grain of salt. Some are more experienced than others.

It is of my experience that the emphasis and retention of the dialogue between john and jesus about the end sign, are the product of johns particular puerile interest with his own position in the world now, and the world to come. The gospels were not set down by jesus, but by those who followed him.

Having said that, we are constantly reminded of the ever present nearness
of our own physical cessation in time. The ever present requirement for focus. Look around to see the time of day, we are always one heartbeat, one breath, away from the dissolution of all we've known.

 

Actually I find the KJV to be a very bad translation but out of loving concern I tried to find a translation that you might find less offensive to your "holy spirit".

But that still doesn't answer the question; I thought you didn't believe in sin?

 

That is a great point.

but

Ego is a level of identification.
I have a choice to identify my homely sense, as being trans celestial or narrowly as in 505 n.

 

So the charity counts on anything but an Ego. Charity means that we never get support from God unless we misunderstood that the Walls were lying about our fortuitous reasons for charity. Now we're not waiting for goddot either.

 

You may have gleaned that, but specifically,

Behaviors are not sins. Unpleasant behaviors are the natural result of miss identifying good or god nature. The misapprehension of what is so. And so meaning quite well for oneself we react to something that is not true as though it were.

Do you know how a blue screen works. A colored background is created that causes anything of the same color as the background to disappear from view.
In turn anything that is not the color of that background will stand out. So you can super impose any figure upon that background and it will appear to fit. You can make a man stand on top of an elephant even though in real life the man and the elephant were never even close to one another. It is the way many effects are produced on television, film against a colored background. If you are filmed wearing a blue suit jacket in blue screen "Chroma key", You would appear as a disembodied head, hands, and legs.

If I were to view unknowingly, a disembodied head, hands, and legs walking toward me, it would take on a monstrous appearance.
Evaluative judgments create a colored background against which, or better yet a colored filter, through which we view the world. This distorts the worlds true colors.

Forgive them, they know not what they do, is not a comment on what they do, but a comment on their understanding. They do it in error, believing it is the truth, or the right thing to do.

 

Well the self identifying ego sees charity as counter productive. The body is the egos home. Two bodies cannot exist in exactly the same place, so that represents a competition for preserving integrity, i. e., beliefs do not contend with truth, only with each other.

 

Dope, how do you test out the inspired expressions that you hold as truth?

Is it that they just seem true or they feel true?

I only ask because you have nothing to test them against. The only test you have is that they seem reasonable to you. The Bible could help but you believe the Bible is just some compilation by men that you can just pick through.

But this is what the Bible says about inspired expressions:
(1 John 4:1-10) 4 Beloved ones, do not believe every inspired expression, but test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God, because many false prophets have gone forth into the world. 2 YOU gain the knowledge of the inspired expression from God by this: Every inspired expression that confesses Jesus Christ as having come in the flesh originates with God, 3 but every inspired expression that does not confess Jesus does not originate with God. Furthermore, this is the antichrist’s [inspired expression] which YOU have heard was coming, and now it is already in the world. 4 YOU originate with God, little children, and YOU have conquered those [persons], because he that is in union with YOU is greater than he that is in union with the world. 5 They originate with the world; that is why they speak [what proceeds] from the world and the world listens to them. 6 We originate with God. He that gains the knowledge of God listens to us; he that does not originate with God does not listen to us. This is how we take note of the inspired expression of truth and the inspired expression of error. 7 Beloved ones, let us continue loving one another, because love is from God, and everyone who loves has been born from God and gains the knowledge of God. 8 He that does not love has not come to know God, because God is love. 9 By this the love of God was made manifest in our case, because God sent forth his only-begotten Son into the world that we might gain life through him. 10 The love is in this respect, not that we have loved God, but that he loved us and sent forth his Son as a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins.

The spirit creature that is talking to you has told you that this is not true but the truth is that spirit creature is lying to you. The truth is the love God has shown to us is through his Son Jesus Christ and his propitiatory sacrifice for our sins.

You can say whatever you want about my judging and condemning and my lack of love or my hating what is bad or my lack of understanding but the Bible shows plain and simple that you are being mislead.

 

So is there sin or not?

 

Poetic, Dope, thank you.

Spread the love, not the hate. Not sure who said this quote but "A real environmentalist is not the one saying the river is dirty, but the one cleaning it up." This comes out of love for the environment, not hate for those who dirty it.

I would say that many people veer off the path of LOVE.

If God is love well, the expectations would be love, therefore God.

There are more scripture leading to love via the Holy Spirit than to find a path that points out hate.

I could argue 'against' those who disagree with love until the cows come home. We could keep arguing on differing views of what love IS, or we can just be it, feel it and ACT it. We can waste our breath on hatred...but wouldn't you rather celebrate love? Jesus lived by example...this is a model of a true and righteous path.

Waterbrother:

The strongest example of love: 'Jesus Christ and his propitiatory sacrifice for our sins.'
"He that does not love has not come to know God."

On another tangent, there is no 'mine' or 'yours' with the Holy Spirit, it is one...one love... One molecule of air we all breathe. You can change the dynamic of water solid, liquid, gas...but it is still water. The "living water" can have many forms, many metaphors, many implications, many 'truths' but it is still the 'living water.' Some see it as snow, some as rain, others, that of the sea filled with salt. When water becomes dirtied it's undrinkable, so we do not drink it...some do, places fill their water with chemicals, some say it's better to drink, others say it's worse. It is still water, somewhere in there. Filter toxins out, one has simply...water. We filter out technicalities, 'truth', 'right vs. wrong', judgement, pain, fear etc. We are left with something we can ALL drink.

God bless.

 

I am describing what is the same and what is different.
It is your belief you argue for, not the truth. If you were aware of the spirit in you, you would recognize spirit. But because you think the holy spirit resides in a physical artifact, or is a creature independent of ourselves, you do not. You recognize only those who believe as you. You referred to them in passing.

First off, there are no spirit creatures. I said the holy spirit teaches all things. That you believe in spirit creatures is alright for you. I live in the real world where the spirit of god is in man and man in him, in exactly the way a father extends his mark to his children.
We are all of god. God has never been separate from his children, but in mans judgment of his brother, this fact has become obscure to him, and in the process he misses the sign of god altogether. In the process of forgiving your brother your judgments, this awareness returns to you. If you do not see christ in your brother then you sin, miss the sign of god. In this way they shall they know you are of me, that ye love one another.

I told you already about john. You need to examine closely those words attributed to jesus. Jesus said not one thing about god sending his only son that whoever believes on him should not perish. Jesus said not everyone who says to me lord lord shall enter but those who keep my sayings. The exact opposite of what john said. Jesus is brother to all of gods children, not above gods children. He deserves respect and attention for his greater experience.
He deserve our devotion as he is devoted to us.

God is closer than our own hand and nearer than our own heart.

You say I am mislead. answer me this,

Does the holy spirit speak through you?

 

Yes.

 

Are they consistent with the cause of love. are they consistent with the cause of healing.

Does it apply in every case or just special cases. Does it uphold and illuminate the holy and innocent nature of god's children.

I would point out that your belief about the book, the bible, does none of those things. In fact your belief sets you against me and many others.
How can you be for god yet against your brother?

You wait ensconced in your circle, hanging on to a past that you think is the only thing that exists, waiting for some future paradise to arrive. The world is old dusty and tired and the only thing that will redeem it is living water.

I would have never questioned you had you not been divided in yourself, Found a reason for hate.
You are phenomenal with the letters of the bible but Understand if the letter says an eye for an eye, the letter is not of christ. It was true then and it is true now.

We must be as wise as serpents yet innocent as doves.

 

I forgot the statement

 

But Jaspers' please. I wondered if the priest could present mass with his back turned to the congregation again. Then he could realize the despair in the future expectations of the masses (as opposed to real arbitrary families which are happy with each other's Godlessness). (n/t)

 

You say real, arbitrary?
Real is absolute, arbitrary is abstraction built on tradition or betrayal. New wine is for new skins. Leave the dead to bury the dead. We cannot bring truth to illusion and make the illusion be real. We bring illusion to truth and truth dispels the illusion.

" i can see clearly now the rain is gone."

 

For your memory:

There you go...

 

Oh yes, the question is could in all seriousness represent consistent meaning, with fear and trembling?

 

Fear am trmbling, although probably not in the mundane sense of horror fear and trembling. Fear and trembling felt by Moses upon speaking with God in the burning bush, the fear and trmebling of the three taken upon the mountain to see Jesus' Transfiguration. The fear and trembling we experience in the midst of something else great and powerful.

Mysterium trememdum if you will...

 

In my experience of mystical events as you describe, the reaction is uncontainable gratitude.