Do you feel that Gods expectations are unrealistic?

Don't you feel like the idea of 'God' is a little unrealistic in itself? I mean screw what he wants from you, the fact that people think there is a final judgmental entity is enough to make my head spin.

 

Okay, first what dictionary told you that you can't believe a verifiable truth?

Then, what makes a verified truth, science? I drive a 94 GMC Sonoma pick-up, which is a verifiable truth but I wouldn't call it science.

 

That's a good example. Are your religious beliefs as verifiable as the existence of a 94 GMC Sonoma pick-up belonging to you?

 

Faith along the lines of trust is rewarded in practice. Beliefs powerfully held, powerfully influence our perceptions because stimuli are processed through the lens of should be. Reality withholds its' grace from no real thing and if you can't find it, {grace}, then you haven't witnessed the real. Anxiety is caused by the misapprehension of what is so. The truth sets us free.

 

Okay, first do you agree that just because something is verifiable does not make it science? Or if the truth of a religion is verifiable would you then call it science as well as religion? Or if a truth in science is not verifiable would you then call science a religion?

Second, what do you consider makes a truth verifiable? In other words what evidence will you accept?

 

In a thousand years the existence 94 GMC Sonoma pick-up will not be verifiable.

 

First, I do agree with all that.

Secondly, I suppose my own observation by my own senses would be necessary as evidence if we are talking about whether something exists or not. Or by another person if I am sure of their authority and they have no reason to lie.

 

I always wonder: thedope, do you project your 'anxiety' for how foolish you look or how you got dressed this morning? Grace in itself does make that anxious fix on referred to being, a dualistic referral for what you were for the presence of yourself to Others.

Anxiety is there for the meaning of Freedom; no?

 

My looking is from within.

No. Fight or flight does that. How long must you hold your hand to the fire before you figure out that you are being burned. What degree of burn, first, second.

When I speak of anxiety I speak of mental anguish. Our protective adaptations are intelligence and reflex. Loud noises will startle you. The fight or flight response gives you a burst of energy and power. It is when the fight or flight response becomes unresolved that mental anguish takes hold as you struggle to resolve the danger you sense. The response you feel moving you is designed to confront physical danger, not to deal with nightmares.

 

Okay, now I can see problems with just using our own senses for evidence, just as an example, air is invisible and is not readily detectable with our senses. I personally have never done any experiments to prove it exists but I believe it does. I do see the effects of the existence of air, such as wind in the trees and the like.

So, I guess the question is would you accept things like effects to verify the truth of something.

If one demands to see God, which is not possible, as the only real proof then this discussion is pointless but if you are willing to accept other types of proof then there is much to discuss.

 

What convinces you?

 

That God exists?

 

Yes.

 

Not that this would be proof for Walsh or for that matter anyone else but I've always known God exists. Not that someone told me but that I could always feel a "force" behind every thing that exists. At the time I didn't know what to call it but as I learned the words I came to realize it was God.

 

It's precisely that the idea of God is realistic, not idealistic in the Fall of Man. And the final judgment is a case after Redemption.


I see; it's to believe in God for the false World, and the true World is for the faceless God, Allah. HE follows with vengeance to seek the timed oncoming of Peace.

 

I had the same inclination waterbrother, as though I was born to be present.
I was very active as a youth, but then when I became of age to support myself materially, that pursuit kind of put my focus on god on simmer. By the time I was 19 I was a restaurant manager and at 25 I owned my own restaurant. Raised a family of three children who have all there own success. It seemed as though there was nothing I could not succeed materially at. But at about 40 no matter how opulent my surroundings, I found that I was unable to appreciate what was there. I knew I was seriously missing something.

I was really in a bad place and I was pleading for help. It occurred to me that I had made a huge mistake in investing myself the way I did, that obviously my previous learning had not served me well. I abandoned everything, every visible means of support that I had counted on and resolved to get serious about seeking first the kingdom of god. This was a huge decision for me as I was known as a workaholic who thought his most noble pursuit was to provide for the family. You know we have this life and I felt at this point I had nothing to loose and everything to gain.

There was an energetic response in the world around me coinciding with that decision. I began to ask particular questions and real life scenarios developed that demonstrated the answers in forms that were unmistakable to me. It was like when you are playing a game of slug bug, and suddenly the world is full of volkswagons. It is a matter of how intense your focus. This is why I say the holy spirit speaks as loudly as our willingness to listen.

I haven't been employed since that time of necessity. I have undertaken projects that I worked at for a short time. But my life has been fundamentally changed from providing to being provided for and I never had much to share before that. I worked for everything. It is more a challenge to me to resist the temptation to intervene. If I begin to think, well I don't see where the resources are going to come from and I better start working then I am encouraged by a still small voice to let it be.

I have been trained as a yoga instructor, and I tell people to whom it is important that I teach yoga, (joining), because it is easier to comprehend than to say I am a teacher of god. I have no academic credentials to support the latter and it is specifically for this reason that I got the yoga training. But this has proved to be unnecessary because I have never been asked to display my certification. I am free to come or go.

Sorry about all the personal anecdotes.

 

Well yes, that's true. I would accept other things. I'm not sure why I accept air, it's probably a combination of things. I can feel wind on my skin, we can measure air pressure so we know we're not in a vacuum. We can determine the chemical composition of earth's air. We know our bodies need oxygen which we must get by breathing.

I don't say science is necessary to say God exists though, he must be beyond that.

 

Thanks for sharing.

 

It was just an example, I didn't say it was a good one but one that would kind of indicate what I was talking about.

Even though scientists wouldn't admit it, I would say science is an attempt to know God through his works, although as you say, God is more than that.

 

Is this God as important to me for the decisions of ordinary day to day life. I don't think so. If for ethical reasons I should look upon Him so that I do some Expected content of an essential Part in the Whole of Civilization, I think neither He, nor the loved one I belong with in a scientific way, would recognize that achievement and improvement upon My Convenience (per the Inconvenient Truth). The inconvenience is to be indifferently treated for the most part in the recent interpretations of Progress, i.e. the Fukushima Nuclear meltdown, and the other thing with it, the earthquake and tsunami. How would we really realize ourselves as ethical? I guess, there is something that way.

But the scientists also have a twisted aberration. :2thumbsup: