Do you ever see the 60's making a comeback?

Revisited

You can do anything you want. I have not said otherwise. But I can express my
opinion of your actions. I should be able to.

What's "name calling"? A label that is un-flattering directed at you or
someone you like.

If the shoe fits, wear it. If it doesn't, the label is obviously erroneous
and shouldn't bother you. It will be obvious to any reasonable person
that it's not accurate.

We are supposed to have free speech in America, but I don't see it. Criticize
what America does at home and your parents will punish you. Criticize
America in the schools and they'll throw you out. Criticize America in
the workplace and you'll lose your job.

Criticize America in most public places, like bars and taverns, and you'll
get beaten up.

So let's try for a little honesty for a change.

In America you have free speech except that you can't criticize America.

Which means that you don't have free speech at all.

That's hypocrisy. People who practice hypocrisy are called "hypocrites".

And that would be "name calling" according to you.

I'd rather be a "name caller" than a hypocrite, any day.

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I can be harsh sometimes, too much so. But you aren't any better, sh.

Why don't we both try harder to be civil, eh?

We are both beloved children of God, and our existence is blessed.

Littlefoot

 

You resort to flaming and name calling and accuse me of shooting the messenger?

Unlike you I suppose, as you truly are an enlightened and superior being. Your hippier-than-thou attitude is what I called it: bitter cynicism.

 

sorry to interrupt, but why can't we just all get along,i mean everyone has there own opinions, and i'm not taking sides, actually i'm just going to shut up, before i get some one pissed off.


peace and much love to all of you


___________________________

God Gave Rock N Roll to You

-Argent

Imagine all the people. Living life in peace

- John Lennon

 

I think the problem is very fundamental, and not limited to sh at all: We live in a global
society that is seriously fucked up: We are trashing the planet, constantly making
and facilitating warfare; there are hundreds of millions of people living in abject
poverty, with millions dying of starvation every year.

This society is obviously maintained by the active participation of all of its menbers.
What Corporation could exist without consumers, for example? Or workers? Or
investors? That's us.

Yet there are very few people who will take any responsibility at all for their
active participation in creating the world as at is, and they get very, very upset
when someone brings this reality to their attention.

They want to go on living as they are and to pretend that they have nothing
to do with it, that's it's all the fault of Evil Politicians and Evil Rich People
or The Devil or Nature (from a Darwinian perspective).

What most people mean when they say "why can't we all get along" is:
Why can't everyone agree with me?

That's not going to fix the world. There _is_ a basic conflict going on here.
Between people who believe that this is good system being mismanaged,
and people who have perceived that it is fatally flawed and must simply
be abandoned.

This is a GOOD conflict in the long run. It's a framework for learning and
growing.

Littlefoot

 

How'd I get to be the asshole.. " Not limited to sh.. WTF.. I certainly wasn't bothering you. I just tell my stories and help people heal themselves. My way has helped countless individuels and I give it freely without belittleing them or calling them names. That is my problem with you Little Foot. It's not your message, it's the delivery, your method sucks and turns off more folks then it turns on.

I'm a moderator and it IS MY place to keep things civil. No one likes high holies that think they are better or smarter then everyone else to the point you have to bully people around to make your point.

I can't even get through your posts bc they reak of vemon and are blaming every human being for what happens in congress, and you right in the middle with your hands in the pie

You include everyone but yourself.. you refuse to answer the question, if you live in the USA, and why you stay if you hate us and it so bad. AND most important, DO YOU yourself live like you preach???? Your attacking the very ones that do care and DO try and make a difference. You have dis'ed me and you know nothing about me and what I bring to the table.. Things you could NEVER understand bc of your gender and your male ego oriented attitude.

Answer this Little Foot. Are you living like you demand everyone else to live, do you vote, do you live entirely off the land, do you shop, do you buy toilet paper, or toothpaste..soap? Are you without sin my friend.

No one is going to sit through a berage of insluts/hatered to hear your message of peace and love. Your mannerisums tell a different story about you. Do you think cussing people out or blaming them for the worlds miseries is going to endear you to them and draw out their hearts.. well fuck no, it's gonna make them turn and walk away. They will not hear the Divine Wisdom that falls from your mouth like rosepetals gentely embracing their ears, They will hear, and see, if you are face to face, where you are really coming from, and that is a place of darkness and discontentment. Not very Zin of you.

Tell me little foot, where is your love, where is your brotherhood. You have not earned a right to call us down. You only talk the talk to people that are walking the walk. We are trying to get back to the garden and here you come screaming and cussing at us to get back to the garden.

If you really want to teach people how to live outside the system, startup a class and teach, maybe you have..but if I were you, I would not cuss my students out for not being as educated as you are, an athority on the subject of being HUMAN . I would educate them and cuss myself if they did not learn, it would mean I was a POOR TEACHER/EXAMPLE. I practice what I preach brother, do you?!?

You call me down becaues me n mine have our dream, that we worked damned hard to get and work damned hard to cultivate and produce enough food to support us and 11 other people we share our land with. Who do you help besides yourself. What do you bring to the table beside your 'burn down the cities' message and your insults.

If I say something that you don't agree with you call me an asshole, even if it's about actuall events that took place in my life. You just shit on the hippie creed by your insults, making yourself look uncool by your manner.

The system is not fataly flawed, it's the operators that are flawed. Which culture would you suggest for all peoples to adhere to, yours..lol.. most people are decent folk, who are just trying to stay afloat till they die.

They want peace in their lives too. People are GOOD, most of them, my parents were good, honest, loving and giving people and taught/lived a happy life bc of the LOVE they showed to all. Most of the people I have met in my lifetime are decent folk, that love and harm none. I have met a few darknatured ones in my travels too, but the good in people outweighs the bad. IMHO.

Like I said before, over n over again.. it's not the message itself, it's the hostile way you present it. Your presentation sucks. You do more harm, then good.

There is NO conflict with the IDEALISUM of what you are saying LF.. I am not saying we don't need change, I agree, change is needed desperatly, but your not going to get any respect, untill you yourself can be civil. It starts in your own self. When you point a finger at someone, you are pointing three fingers back at your self. You are screaming out hate, try a little love. We can't get past the insults to hear whatever the message is you are trying to convey.

Try putting people at ease about your thoughts, we are peaceseekers ourselves, and don't appericiate your personal slurs, we don't have to listen to them either. There are guidelines in this site and you did agree to follow them when you signed up. When you come in here and disrespect the other members, including myself, you are breaking the contract you signed.

It's not what you are saying Litle Foot, we all agree on what the message is, but the way you say it, you my friend did not invet it, you are just ranting at the ones that are doing or at least making efforts in that direction..

Would you go into a hippie commune and start cussing the hippies telling them to go live in communes. You contradict yourself just by being on a computer, using up all that electricity and screaming at us for using/being corporate.

sh

 

Thank you Littlefoot for one of the most positive reads in a long time. I'm not being sarcastic, only glad that there are people who still bother trying to enlighten people about the state of the world.

What it all boils down to is very simple. In the western world (especially) we are way past the point of making things right on a global scope in any way that would not radically alter they way we live our lives. The only question is: are we prepared to do that or not?

I'll admit that I neither have the balls nor the intellect to go all out. It is the shittiest kind of excuse, I know, so when the third world has finally had enough I certainly deserve whatever's coming.

 

I think that you do have the balls and the intellect. It's a matter of knowing how
to proceed. You could try this approach:

Start learning, as a hobby, the skills needed to live directly from the land.
Identifying wild edible and fiber and medicinal plants; no-till gardening and
saving seeds and preseving food (drying and "root-cellaring"); spinning thread
and weaving cloth; generating woodgas; making cordage and weaving baskets;
making soap....

This will attract you to like-minded people, and vice-versa. When you have
a group of people, an informal back-to-the-land club, start looking around
for some land in the country where you can really develop your skills. There
is a lot of very cheap land in the mountains. (One of the things you'll have
to study up on is water supplies. Don't ever buy any land unless you are
sure that you can develop a water supply!)

By then, you'll be able to live with almost no income. The property taxes
on "junk land" are minimal. You can can acquire it with no down payment
and monthly payments of a few hundred dollars on 20-40 acres. Buying
land adjacent to a large tract of federal or state or corporate land is highly
advisable. And make sure it's in an area that's forested. Wood is an
invaluable resource.

You get the drift. And thanks,

Littlefoot

"The greatest fine art of the future will be the making of a
comfortable living from a small piece of land."

-- Abraham Lincoln

 

But in order to buy land you must have money and you get money by working within the system, being a part of it, and supporting it. Then you have to pay taxes and so you must still be beholden to the system. Oh yea, and, I've already done all of what you suggested a long time ago and continually practice my knowledge. But I'm still a bitch... Maybe I'm really a pseudo-bitch!

 

(post deleted -- I shouldn't respond to Earthmother's baiting - it's a waste of
time)

 

Patsy, are you baiting LF with the truth again.

Tax time comes around every yr, pay it or lose what you got. It's a bitch but it's gotta be thata way for now, untill LF creates a new wonderful world to live in under his rule.

The only thing we'll need is ear plugs and a tranquilizer gun. You can use it on me Patsy if I lose my ear plugs and I will promise to do the same for you.

Now bow down to LF and kiss his ring. Wait, me first!!

ROFLMAF!!!!

 

Me thinks that LF has brought in a ringer to agree with him... hahahahaahahahaaa, kinda like an invisable friend a child makes up when they have no one to play with. His alter ego.. hahahaahahahahahaaaaaaaaa.

 

sorry, I couldn't help it, heifers have a sence of humor too ya know.

 

you'll have to wait till 2060

 

Okay, since your mind seems to be running on half-power again, I'll spell it out for
you.

It takes several years to develop the necesary skills to live self-sufficiently on the
land. In the real world, one takes things a step at a time.

When the community has progressed to the point where they can live without
any material support from this civilization, they can then simply fade away
into the forest.

I am sure that Kierkegaard has the sense to figure this out for himself. That's
why I didn't bother stating the obvious.

But I don't mind giving you a hand when you need it.

Oh no. You're the real thing.

Littlefoot

 

As I said, I was glad (and very surprised), to find and read what LF had posted here. I have no interest in joining your personal war on each other since I don't have time to dig deep enough into the archives and find out if it really is about something else.

I've always had respect for educated people who are capable of putting forward ideas clearly in writing. There is also a world of difference between being passionate and emotional about what you are saying and building the hypothesis around the emotion.

Most humanistically inclined persons I know that show any kind of historical awareness would agree with what LF is saying. Still, very few seem to feel they are able to do something about all this. What LF seems to argue: 'that, even given the good intentions, we are simply too comfortable with the current state of affairs' is something that every single one of us should give some serious thought. Let's not kid ourselves.

 

I will have to admit that I have to some large degree brought this on myself. I can
be rather harsh at times. I need to keep in mind that most people don't have
my education and experience. I am _trying_ to be kinder and more patient and
understanding, but this sort of bitchy harassment doesn't make it easy.

I can sure see why you chose that alias. Or it chose you.

LIttlefoot

 

On one has disagreed to what LF message was, It was his method of coveyence and his attack on every one that had an opinion, or mentioned something that happened to them in the past.

It's disrespecting other member including the mods, guide line violation.

We all want things to change, but not everyone is in a position to drop out of society. We all procrastinate, we all dream the dream. Some are doing their best to live as far off the grid as they can. These are the ones that were under attack by little foot, including, but no limited to myself.

I, nor did the rest of us have any problem with LF untill he started trying to shove his view point down everyone throat in every foeum, calling names and shining a bad light on the ones that walk the walk, and live an honest and helpful life. You can put information out there without having to disrespect someone else. You will not make many friends or get peoples attention calling the women bitches and the men assholes while your calling it love and brotherhood or peacefull.

LF, as you can plainly see has again, disrespected us by claiming we are not as inteligent/experienced as he is. He is full of himself.

He only converses with people who agree with him, like he's doing with you. But still he has to get his digs in, as in stating we were less inteligent then he. Get the picture, your only inteligent to him bc you agree and praised him.. Try saying something he is not in control of.

I'm tired of his game and so is everyone else. I do not know what his problem is, but he is not going to continue to harrass the other members. It's called flaming and is against the guidelines.

sh

 

shameless_heifer wrote:

"'m tired of his game and so is everyone else. I do not know what his problem is, but he is not going to continue to harrass the other members. It's called flaming and is against the guidelines."

Actually, it's you and Earthmother that have been doing the flaming. I have shown remarkable
restraint.

I have every scrap of these threads, with all posts except ours deleted, in a zipped file, with
the URLs edited in, ready to be sent to the other moderators, webmaster, etc. as an HTML
attachment. I have their email addresses.

I sort of hope you try to ban me. It will probably be the last we'll see of you.

You have completely lost your perspective.

Littlefoot

 

Poor mr littlefoot, you appear to be obsessed. You simply do not understand for all your great "intelligence". I can spot those who do this type of thing on purpose, but you seem to actually believe what you say. That is extremely sad. To Kierkegaard, Mr Littlefoot has made a very bad habit of attacking those who are intelligent and actually have some real things to say regularly. He cannot stand the thought that anyone else could know all the wonderful things he does. He refuses to tell anyone what the point is to his ranting. He won't give anyone any REAL knowledge of HOW to go about accomplishing that which he feels he is the ONLY one here who could possibly have accomplished. His apparent goal is only to BRAG about HIMSELF and not really help anyone.

I get pictures in my mind while conversing at length with someone, and all I can see is someone glaring into his computer, all pumped up on himself, chest puffed out and tail up like a cocky rooster.

Littlefoot, you have again ruined another thread. Getting to be a habit? Maybe what you are mistaking for "bitches" is really the "thread police!" Go ahead and show whoever you like all this nonsense. They will laugh at you before you are banned... Do you want that? I think all these threads with Littlefoot running amok may as well be closed. He's like a bull in a china shop...

 

pardon me if i seem stupid:& , but i'm trying to figure out why we need warfare, to live in this economy, maybe i shouldn't even try and argue with that one, but just try and accept it i guess