Do you believe you were born gay?

I hate looking at women's vaginas. They make me do that salivatey thing you do inside your cheeks before you throw up.

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To be honest, I think it could be something to do with being born gay, I mean I am not a feminine guy, but on the same token I am not masculine, at about the age of 9 I was camping with a friend (before you think, nothing happened between us) and this was way before I really understood gay or straight, and I really really had an inkling to see his penis, I cant remember how exactly I initated it, but sure enough I saw him jack off in the cubicle shower, although not properly, as he was only 10. Girls never intrested me, even on television, in pornography, or even when swimming, and I had one stage where I really tried to look at girls in that way and the classic "I am not gay stage".

- And mentioning in on the past couple posts:

It doesn't make me feel that bad, but I dont particually like the look of women's bits. I would describe them in the same way that my friends describe other guys dicks. Just not really nice.

 

It doesn't make me feel that bad either, but a moist vagina is still pretty gross to me.

See, I thought that, but then I thought about, like, all straight porn, and there's so much dick in that. Like sometimes all you'll see is dicks going in and out, and quite often you won't even be able to see the tits or vadge. I'm always a bit weirded out by that, like, are they just filtering them out, or is it part of it? I mean, I guessing Freudianly it would be all about conquest and stuff, but all the same, it seems pretty weird.

 

NOOOO! I do feel .....KNOW i was born female but just not in a female body.

 

I think there may be genetic influences in sexuality, so perhaps yes, some people may be born gay.

 

I think some people are at the very least genetically "pre-disposed" to being gay, so I'm sure gay people are (or at least the vast majority of them) born that way.

 

I think that your sexual orientation is the way your brain in wired and if you're gay it's wired differently than if you're straight it shouldn't be a big deal really, the only reason people say gay is wrong is because "god" says it's wrong, but tell me this isn't him rejecting gays and others against what the relgion of christianity really is? I mean being gay isn't a "choice" or a "lifestyle" it's just how you are and I think gay is great!

 

I agree

IMO i think your sexuality is possibly dependent on the hormone levels in the womb...

you get two main hormone doses during pregnancy, i believe. one that configures the body (more testosterone to be male, more estrogen to be female)

and then there is one to configure the mind:

Male with more Oestrogen - Gay
Male with more Testosterone - Straight
or
Female with more Oestrogen - Straight
Female with more Testosterone - Gay

I believe that bisexual and Transgendered people at roughly even levels of both
(Bisexual would be the hormone for the mind only, whilst Transgendered people will have roughly even levels for the body)

I also think that the amounts affect your masculinity/femininity.

So i too, believe that the brain is wired before birth so that a person will have something of a predisposition towards member of the same/opposite sex.

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Allow me to make a simple statement.

I did not wake up one day with the arduous decision of being either gay or straight. Before puberty, I was attracted to neither guys or girls. When I finally did reach puberty at fourteen, I was a late bloomer, I noticed how hot guys were but I had no sexual inclinations toward girls.

 

I think most gay/bi people were born gay due to the gay gene... i know it sounds wrong and all, but it has been proven that homosexuality is hereditary.

 

There was a study conducted in the late 90's in Holland, to determine whether gender in brain sex could indeed conflict with physical outer sex. Females have different brain structures to males, so someone with a female brain structure is going to feel they are female, even if their outer body sex defies that. The brains of all 6 female "transsexuals" tested, showed a key part of the brain, which is roughly 70-80% larger in males, was congurent with what a natal born female should have. Interestingly enough, in all 9 of the homosexual males tested, this part of the brain was congurent with what a male should have, no different to heterosexual males. This would certainly explain why gay men do not feel they are female, even the ones with feminine personalities.

Sexuality and gender are two entirely different things. "Trans" people have the same wide spectrum of sexualities as everyone else does. Some "mtf's" identify as heterosexual, some identify as lesbians, and some bi. And the same for "ftm's" Genetics is also thought to play a key role in someone who feels they are "trapped in the wrong body". Scientific research into this has been miniscule to say the least, but the evidence that is there, indicates a high probability that some people are literally born a different gender internally, from that of their outer physical sex.

I do not know anything really, about any biological causes of homosexuality, or a "gay gene". But what is certain, is if it is in any way biological, it is in no way linked to gender. The dutch tests certainly seem to confirm that anyway.

 

Yes, reading through this thread is a bit of a worry, a lot of misconceptions, some may want to read up on some of these issues, if for no other reason than to see how complex it all is, and how much in its infancy research into homosexuality and transexualism really is

 

One's sexual orientation may also be mutable. I have identified as Bi since doing my first guy in the '70s. I was equally attracted to men and women and in my sexual history I have had sex with about 25 different partners of either gender, apparently not leaning one way or the other.

I was with one woman for two decades and we had screaming sex together for that time.

Now, I have just come to the conclusion that women don't appeal to me. Saw this on my recent cruise which had a bunch of young ppl in skimpy attire on the pool deck dancing together and I realized that the really cute guys excited me, whereas the cute girls were just there.

Now my dilemma. Do I go ahead and say "gay" my current gut feeling or continue being "bi" because of my extensive history of sex with women? If I say gay, I would then have to explain a big chunk of my heterosexual life, (grandkids and such) whereas Bi encompasses that history.

We bi's have always fucked up the statistics and conjectures about being born gay and the gay gene search. When you fuck anything that moves, does that mean there is a promiscuous gene?

 

Lots of people do seem to treat "transsexualism" as some kind of offshoot of homosexuality. Whether this is just out of sheer ignorance, or just a simplistic way of throwing everything which isnt the "norm" together, I dont know. And the Dutch evidence certainly seems to contradict the "clinical" definition of "transsexualism". (That the individual "desires" to be the opposite sex of which they were born. And it is also listed as a mental disorder.) The research into why certain people feel their outer bodies don't match their real gender, has been very minimal. But even the small amount of research done, has at the very least, thrown up a strong probability of a biological cause for people who feel they were born in the wrong body. It is crucial to seperate people like that, from men who make themselves up like women, but are happy with their bodies, and male anatomy. Again, most make no distinction between people like that, and people who feel their gender was wrongly assigned at birth.

Most are happy to live in ignorance, and not educate themselves on these issues. Just happy to throw everyone "out of the ordinary" into one big box of weird, and be done with it. The Dutch research I mentioned earlier, was purely a test designed to see if the brains of male homosexuals were any different to that of straight males. And also to see if the brains of people who identified as female, despite being born with male physical anatomy, were any different to those of males. That case study, while very small, was pretty conclusive in the finding that sexual orientation had nothing to do with gender in brain structure. While the females born with male external anatomy did show a marked difference in brain structure from what a male should have. The one thing those tests did show, was that brain gender/sex could be the opposite of the gender suggested by the external anatomy. And also, that it was totally seperate from sexual orientation. So Greggles' theory that gay people have some kind of brain structure of the opposite sex, has for the time being at least, been proved to be false.

Genetic research is even more in it's infancy than brain research, especially in concern to things like gender, and sexual orientation. I have heard of people talking of a "gay gene", but I myself, have never seen any scientific evidence of such a thing. I do believe firmly, that gay people cannot help being gay. The reasons why that is though, remain a mystery.

 

The argument, IMHO is futile.
Looking backwards never helped anyone did it.
Whether the homosexual commuity chose to be gay or not is an irrelevant point.
Either way the fact remains that they are gay.

 

People are simply curious over their own being. I am not sure whether you are gay personally, and I do see your point. However, presuming you aren't, if you had such a huge part of your life ruled by something, you really wouldn't try and figure out why it did? Either way it's an interesting point to some.

I'm still sticking with born idea. I feel you were born with the traits of being gay, and they can be nurtured over time. It explains Shale's predicament, and a few people I know took a lot longer to fully understand their sexuality than others. In fact I would go as far as saying you could be born with this gene, and still live a predominately heterosexual lifestyle, as long as you never act on/nurture it.

However there is variance, like in everything. Some people were born to only be gay for example. I wasn't one of those people, had a girlfriend and never really thought about it. Then one day it just clicked, there was always just something which I never named about myself.

Plus my bedroom wall was filled with pictures of my favourite singers and actors, who just so happened to be only extremely good looking. It made me consider why I really liked them.

So yes, born then became. Do believe there's science behind it, but how it is developed is another matter. After all, society frowns about homosexuality, and it is rarely placed in front of you quite so simply.