Do people still believe 911 wasnt a inside job?

WTC 2 IS THE FUN ONE!

if one wants to "play along" with the foolishness, both engines and the landing gear would have not only went through the large exoskeleton columns but also slammed directly into cement floors. Yet they claim an engine mysteriously flew out of the building that there is no hole large enough for that to happen.

and of course the tip of vert stab does not damage anything and the wing tip having much less mass and strength just slices right on through.






the 911 report (NOTE THE ORANGE REFERENCE) shows the official HUGE HOLE that simply does NOT EXIST!








Of course it happens all the time in the movies! LOLOLOL

There is no limit to the easily provable fraud, literally its an endless slam dunk but some people simply cant accept what corrupt and despotic governments are capable of doing and or turning their backs to until 45 million are murdered like they did in russia, and after they are dead its a bit late.

 

Thanks for that Zzap.

Odon, are you denying that there are photos of the landing gear of which we are speaking? What would cause you to believe that there is a good chance it is not landing gear in the photos?

 

Sorry. I was thinking WTC 2 not 1. Schoolboy error.

There is similar damage on all three points.

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/salter/767orwhatzit.html

 

Well, I want to state that I didn't really have strong feelings about it...meaning it never really seriously occured to me that WE would have done that. Now, I KNOW I'm giving a lot of credit to GW's administration where it isn't due...but that's another story.

Now that I've been reading this thread and looked at other stuff the internet has to offer, I will admit that I DO think it was an inside job. All along, to me, it didn't make COMMON SENSE about the way the buildings fell...but hey, I'm no demo expert. Just have some common sense and have seen stuff (in vids and movies) blow up. (I like explosions...they're pretty. )

However, like I said...after reading this combined with the different amount of pictures and information out there - if you look for it...I do believe it. WHO do y'all think engineered this?

 

the problem is no one really knows or understands how governments operate and that the words used mean something entirely different in leego land than what we were taught.

for instance "freedom" really means a franchise or contract government, a constitution that uses the words common weal, wealth, welfare, general anything sets up the police state. Rarely will yo ufind anyone who knows law well enough to lay it out like that, OR is wiling to talk about it because like everything else it also sets up a huge cash cow to extort money from the average joe bob who spends all his time raising and taking care of his family rather than playing footsie in court.

you are given 2 choices under english common law that is either you are a slave in chains or you are a slave to a franchise (contract) government as a "citi-zen". consent is bullshit, as far as the law is concerned you consented when your crying butt hit the gurney table, just like cattle, "owned", and there is no way out of it. (no remedy, no redress, another lie)

People mistakenly believe that "freedom" lifts liabilities and burdens, on the ocntrary it adds them as can be seen from an american law dictionary;



So in to be borm in britain you are only a subject, but when born in america you are not only a subject but ADDITIONALLY also a citizen with a "freedom franchise" or police contract with rights that have been all but completely abolished or narrowly construed into near non-existence! law that offers no remedy!

They convinced everyone they have more rights when in fact the truth is they have less rights and the rights they do have are defined by? GOVERNMENT! Look at any state and see what rights they claim, they have left NONE for the "people", they claimed them all! The only rights they have not claimed is what they have absolutely no ability to tax or enforce on any level. for example "exercise of religion" has been reduced by (constructive fraud in the courts) to "freedom to worship ones God". as long as no else knows about it and you DO NOT exercise your religion! Think I am kidding? Try it!

The fundamental natural rights of the natural man reduced to rights of the artificial person as a ficticious commercial person! (see the us supreme court spies case) Reduce to inferior state granted citizen civil rights.

Of course people had been bred to only think of slavery in terms of chains forgetting that the national debt puts our children in slavery. bond slavery. slavery is alive and well and growing at a rampant rate and people are none the wiser for matching events to labels have been abolished and distorted beyond recognition.

anyway I forget the name of the book that lays out the bonds that were never paid that we had the money for all along, and of course when you get a secured loan and you do not pay it you lose at a minimum control over it. At least someone else with gain greater control.

Its the british way, write bonds install people in government so they never get paid and grab the land, or by old style imperialism.

Bonds written for nations come due every 70 years, so paperwork was drawn up about 1790ish give or take a few;

1790 Hamilton gets loans (writes bonds) to pay kings war debts (even though america won??????)
+70
=1860 civil war land grab, the south
+70
=1930 world war human labor and resources grab
+70
=2000 oil
+70
=who knows russia or china I suppose.

all because of a debt owed to england that even though we had plenty of money to pay never paid! Each time resulting in land grabs, then labor grab putting all americans into slavery to the national debt. Hence the commerce clause and between welfare and commerce the total undermining of all INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS. Corporate mobs (democracies are ok) the creation of mob rule in america rather than stare decis standing on its own. Now complete despotism far worse than those who wanted to escape the king.

Now world control;

The Grand Chessboard by Zbigniew Brzezinski


"...To put it in a terminology that harkens back to the more brutal age of ancient empires, the three grand imperatives of imperial geostrategy are to prevent collusion and maintain security dependence among the vassals, to keep tributaries pliant and protected, and to keep the barbarians from coming together." (p.40)

"Henceforth, the United States may have to determine how to cope with regional coalitions that seek to push America out of Eurasia, thereby threatening America's status as a global power." (p.55)

"The most immediate task is to make certain that no state or combination of states gains the capacity to expel the United States from Eurasia or even to diminish significantly its decisive arbitration role." (p. 198)

"In the long run, global politics are bound to become increasingly uncongenial to the concentration of hegemonic power in the hands of a single state. Hence, America is not only the first, as well as the only, truly global superpower, but it is also likely to be the very last." (p.209)

"Moreover, as America becomes an increasingly multi-cultural society, it may find it more difficult to fashion a consensus on foreign policy issues, except in the circumstance of a truly massive and widely perceived direct external threat." (p. 211)

MORE:
The technotronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values (like liberty and democracy). Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities.
- Between Two Ages: America's Role in the Technetronic Era, 1970

"In the technotronic society the trend would seem to be towards the aggregation of the individual support of millions of uncoordinated citizens, easily within the reach of magnetic and attractive personalities exploiting the latest communications techniques to manipulate emotions and control reason."
- Between Two Ages : America's Role in the Technetronic Era - 1970

"This regionalization is in keeping with the Tri-Lateral Plan which calls for a gradual convergence of East and West, ultimately leading toward the goal of one world government. National sovereignty is no longer a viable concept." --- Zbignew Brzezinski, National Security Advisor to President Jimmy Carter (It's not that I'm "nationalist". It's that the Bill of Rights will fade away too.)
"What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Muslims or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?" - 1998 interview

The following statement was made more than twenty-five years ago in a book by Brzezinski which he wrote while a professor at Columbia University:
"Political strategists are tempted to exploit research on the brain and human behavior. Geophysicist Gordon J.F. MacDonald, a specialist in problems of warfare, says accurately-timed, artificially-excited electronic strokes could lead to a pattern of oscillations that produce relatively high power levels over certain regions of the earth ... in this way one could develop a system that would seriously impair the brain performance of very large populations in selected regions over an extended period"

" ... no matter how deeply disturbing the thought of using the environment to manipulate behavior for national advantages, to some, the technology permitting such use will very probably develop within the next few decades."


with credit to source: http://www.wanttoknow.info/brzezinskigrandchessboard

Fred Burks "spiritual" talk online is as painful as getting teeth drilled, and seems weirdly psy-op. Send beams of love to Bush?
White House Insider Fred Burks Talks of Global Transformation
Fred Burks talkes about Mind Control and spreading love to kill Evil
Fred Burks first hour with Hesham Tillawi. Government secrets bizarre - to me, anyhow, not political but airy spiritual

http://www.takeoverworld.info/grandchessboard.html


2 things, money power

That said this book was being passed around in the late 90's and read by certain people that just happened to be in the previous 3 administrations.

some things never change, people want peace aristocracies and shadow governments want wars, even if they have to create them.

iraq did everything to prevent war but were VICTIMS of JOINT US/BRITISH imperialist hegemony

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc5PFW4VJHA"]CIA Whistleblower - Goverment knew about WTC attack! - YouTube



and thats how its done in the big leagues!



I will always put my money on smart think tanks not "We the (dumb assed) People"!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio"]Obama Voter: Vote for Obama because he gives a free Phone!


The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
~Winston Churchill

 

Do you have freedom of religion? What does that mean? To me it means that I have the right to worship, or not worship, any deity I want, without interference. It is the right to assemble with others of like faith and exercise our beliefs. Can you do that today? Can you form a church without permission from the government? The answer is NO!

Every church that wants to be officially recognized as a church in the United States, must get permission from the government to be classified as such. If you do not get this permission, then you cannot legally be called a church and all the donations made to the church are taxable as income. The federal statutes for this are in the income tax statutes, found in 26 USC (United States Code). You MUST file for a tax exempt status in order for your church not to be tax exempt for income tax. See 26 USC 501(c)(3). And you cannot file for this status unless you are a corporation! Why the government wants your church to be a corporation is revealed in later chapters.


http://usa-the-republic.com/revenue/true_history/Contents.html

 

Check out the second subject down on the link above concerning the issue of whether you are an american citizen or U.S. citizen.

 

Such as? Why is Iraq now part of a JOINT US/BRITISH imperialist hegemony?

...and don't repost anything you have posted already - thanks.

 

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Religion is the ability to exercise your "beliefs".
Since free really means "franchise"/"rights by contract" grant, its means government authorized exercise of your religion hence instead of the constitution protecting you it builds a cage around you!

The right to pray aka "worship" cannot be abrogated by the use of guns, so they openly grant you the right to pray or worship as it were.









what is a constitutor? (or the loving founding fathers) puke

we are all presumed to have given up the INDIVIDUAL natural rights of man to live UNDER the exclusive "arbitrary" control of a "headless" corporate government that coincidentally has immunity, that "We the People" cannot control, and is ruled by retards that want obamaphones, and taxed by legislative authority alone to achieve those ends. Yet we remain responsible as individuals even though the government is a 3rd party to the contract!

the irony of pure despotism

 

AMENDMENT I.

Congress shall make no law respecting an the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. (Ratified in 1791)

The First Amendment proscribes FREEDOM OF and FOR RELIGION , NOT FREEDOM FROM RELIGION. The founding fathers understood this Amendment to mean that Government may not touch religion either to oppose it nor to impose it. The United States government, created by the States, cannot define God given rights for the people nor the legal rights of the sovereign States. The American people who are the recipients of such rights may define them within their own States and the U. S. Government has no jurisdiction to contradict laws of State Legislators reflecting these findings including those involving religion.

What does: '26 U.S.C. § 508 : US Code - Section 508: Special rules with respect to section 501(c)(3) organizations' mean?

 

but the US court does
what they cannot define they cannot control
they will construe, or define a round peg to fit into a square hole if they must to bring you into their jurisdiction and control, you cannot claim or have ANYTHING of your own authority. PERIOD.
religion not with standing!
setting up a sovereign is setting up a king
you have one real one
america has 51 fictitious sovereigns (no head to chop off)
the lesser cannot create its own authority, the greater
in other words slaves cannot create a sovereign except purely in fiction.
slave cannot claim to be the master, much less the sovereign.
the "individual" as "one" of the people within the US boundaries have no sovereign powers as advertised. pure fraud, dont believe it try it! see ya in jail!
america was and still is the kings commercial venture
God is not recognized in the commercial american courts
God is or was recognized in the old english courts
of course that became fully corrupted by star chamber tribunals etc
churches in the us to have standing must be within the us commercial venue under a 5013c
religion is the acting upon your beliefs
everything you believe to be is your religion
every action you could ever take in your life is a function of your beliefs which is "your religion"
the government IS a religion, (human secularism) acknowledged by the supreme court.
government is an imposed religion. (someone elses belief how the world should be) that your world should be like their world. (like it or not!) *democracy*

the individual and their natural rights are dead, the corporation owns you.

STATE v. REDMON.
(Supreme Court of Wisconsin. Dec. 13, 1907.)

1. Constitutional Law—Purposes of Gov-
ernment—Limitations.

The general declaration in the Constitution
of the purposes of civil government is a limita-
tion upon legislative power, designed, in part
at least, to prevent clearly unreasonable enact-
ments restricting natural private rights.

Brit style freedom, "OWNED"

​

like everything in government they stroke your ego on left while stealing everything you have on the right.

Even God
.

 

Odon,

Iraq did try to prevent war.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ARTICLE5/april.html?q=ARTICLE5/april.html

 

Most churches have commercial interests/shares in companies and a multitude of other financial revenue streams. Gone are the days when churches only collected taxes - now they must pay some.

Plus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_tax

 

Try joining the 21st century.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1441

 

Here's the whole transcript:

http://www.uruknet.de/?p=m45924&hd=&size=1&l=e

 

I always get this strange feeling of helplessness when confronted by someone who runs to information which still includes the charge of possessing WMDs. 21st century, indeed! You are aware of the fact that the U.S. actually supplied Saddam with the illegal chemical weapons that they themselves supplied him with, aren't you? Wow! A little hypocrisy there, huh?

 

that is why I end up posting the same information, you either simply do not comprehend it, or simply ignore it pretending it is reality is in fact the koolaid fed to the masses to prevent a slave uprising.

iraq did everything to prevent war but were VICTIMS of JOINT US/BRITISH imperialist hegemony

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc5PFW4VJHA"]CIA Whistleblower - Goverment knew about WTC attack! - YouTube

if the UN resolution said the sky polka dot but reality is that it has no color what so ever you apparently feel posting wiki will bail you out. it wont.

 

a church however has nothing to do per se with personal religious freedom, freedom used here in the sense of the ability to express and act upon your own volition.

 

I wasn't actually focusing on WMD. I was referring to the fact you said: 'Iraq did try to prevent war.' - then referenced something from pre Gulf War. The Twentieth Century.

Are you not 'running to': 'the U.S. actually supplied Saddam with the illegal chemical weapons'?


...and yes I was: http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/arming_iraq.php

 

So, pre the 2003 invasion of Iraq, Saddam did everything to prevent war?

So you are saying Susan Lindauer negotiated a peace treaty? Is this peace treaty documented? Or is it a figment of her imagination?

I guess her 'back-channel negotiations were so hush-hush nothing is documented and nobody else speaks (or writes a moderately priced paper-back book) about it but her, right?

I posted - What does: '26 U.S.C. § 508 : US Code - Section 508: Special rules with respect to section 501(c)(3) organizations' mean?
From what I can gather - churches are exempt from 5013c.

'Storch' seemed to be saying that because a church, for tax purposes, had to have contact with government they were not 'free'.

Who is preventing you, and how?