Do people still believe 911 wasnt a inside job?

And you do? YOU?? :rofl: :smilielol5:

 

well had you answered it correctly you would have proven everything you have said with that regard incorrect. LOL

Not to mention that you really dont know very much about fire.

sorry

 

Let me explain it to you. I'll talk real slow, so you can understand.

1. One of your cronies said that steel melts at 2500 degrees and that jet fuel burns in open air at 1000 degrees.
2. Neither he nor you could explain where those numbers came from, nor what the relevance of open air burning is to the compartment fire in the WTC.
3. I called him on it.
4. He couldn't respond, because the statement was bullshit, and had nothing to do with reality.
5. You advance another bullshit argument and demand that I respond to it.
6. You claim to be an "expert". In what field, bullshit? I'll concede that you are an expert in that all right.
7. You have already stated that you are not interested in the truth. You are here to promote lies.

 

I never thought that it was an inside job, but I do believe they knew/had warning before hand and let it happen.

 

if you think there is a fire in there you are delusional



you cannot explain how long it takes to heat steel you are not qualified.

dance all you want on that.

as for the 1000, it depends on what part of the flame now doesnt it!

Again you prove you are not qualified.

as for compartment a big hole means not enclosed means not compartment.

truthers 4
troughers 0

as for that, add that you are illiterate as well LOL

truthers 5
troughers 0

 

always look to see who got fired and who got promoted

fired = did not play along
promoted = treason

 

I suppose it is akin to theories that FDR knew Pearl Harbor would be attacked before it happened.

Indeed, if someone can make out fire in that grainy ass, shitty picture they must be delusional.

 

2 planes crashed into 2 buildings and they fell down.

 

Okay and building 7?

 

Do you mean 'intelligence failures' or a precise knowledge: Day, Time, Year, Location.

 

You fuckin' tosser

 

Huh? (the smiley was an unfortunate error in spacing )

 

Don't be silly the government is behind it I know because I got the Internet.

 

fdr didnt know, but every one else did LMAO


Of course!

We realize its impossible for people in denial to tell the difference between black and orange.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98"]9-11 A CONSPIRACY THEORY

 

How is it that the fire from the jet fuel, which burned off in twenty minutes, melted steel? That's not consistent with science, and everyone who hasn't invested everything in the first thing they were told on television knows it. If you continue believing that that's science, well, you might as well wear a tinfoil hat. Since you've exposed yourself as the type who believes that, on 9/11, an extinguished fire can melt steel, let's look at that a little further.

If the inside of the tower was a raging inferno, how do you explain this:

This is a transcript of firefighters' conversations on that day, just minutes before the collapse of WTC# 2:

Battalion Seven Chief: "Battalion Seven ... Ladder 15, we've got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines. Radio that, 78th floor numerous 10-45 Code Ones."

Ladder 15: "Chief, what stair you in?"

Battalion Seven Chief: "South stairway Adam, South Tower."

Ladder 15: "Floor 78?"

Battalion Seven Chief: "Ten-four, numerous civilians, we gonna need two engines up here."

Battalion Seven Chief: "Tower one. Battalion Seven to Ladder 15.

Fifteen."

Battalion Seven Chief: "I'm going to need two of your firefighters Adam stairway to knock down two fires. We have a house line stretched we could use some water on it, knock it down, kay."

Ladder 15: "Alright ten-four, we're coming up the stairs. We're on 77 now in the B stair, I'll be right to you."

Battalion Seven Operations Tower One: "Battalion Seven Operations Tower One to Battalion Nine, need you on floor above 79. We have access stairs going up to 79, kay."

Battalion Nine: "Alright, I'm on my way up Orio."
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If the inside of the tower was a raging inferno, as you seem to believe it was, then you must also believe that injured people and firefighters alike can withstand an awful lot of heat. And that's just not consistent with science or reality.
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Now here's the story behind that taped exchange:

The Department of Justice has ordered secrecy measures to keep the contents of a “lost tape” of firefighters’ voices at the World Trade Center from being made public. The 78-minute audiotape evidently debunks the accepted explanation that intense jet fuel fires melted the towers’ steel beams and caused the collapses.

The New York Times recently revealed the existence of the tape of radio transmissions between firefighters of the New York Fire Department (NYFD), which proves that “at least two men” had reached the 78th floor Sky Lobby of the South Tower. The firefighters had reported about the fires and casualties they encountered and had begun evacuating the survivors.

The article said that firefighters “reached the crash zone on the 78th floor, where they went to the aid of grievously injured people trapped in a sprawl of destruction.”

While the article raises as many questions as it answers, it points to a reason for the secrecy: “Once they got there,” the article says, “they had a coherent plan for putting out the fires they could see and helping victims who survived.”

The report names two of the firefighters who were at the crash site: Battalion Chief Orio J. Palmer, who was organizing the evacuation of injured people, and Fire Marshal Ronald P. Bucca. Both were among the 343 firefighters who perished.

The voices of the firefighters “showed no panic, no sense that events were racing beyond their control,” the Times wrote. “At that point, the building would be standing for just a few more minutes, as the fire was weakening the structure on the floors above him. Even so, Chief Palmer could see only two pockets of fire, and called for a pair of engine companies to fight them.”

The fact that veteran firefighters had “a coherent plan for putting out” the “two pockets of fire” indicates they judged the blazes to be manageable. These reports from the scene of the crash provide crucial evidence debunking the government’s claim that a raging steel-melting inferno led to the tower’s collapse.

As the FEMA “Building Performance Assessment” report says, “Temperatures may have been as high as 900-1,100 degrees Celsius (1,700-2,000 Fahrenheit) in some areas.”

“If FEMA’s temperature estimates are correct, the interiors of the towers were furnaces capable of casting aluminum and glazing pottery,” Eric Hufschmid, author of the book Time for Painful Questions writes. Yet the voices on the tape prove that several firefighters were able to work “without fear” for an extended period at the point of the crash, and that the fires they encountered there were neither intense nor large.

The South Tower disintegrated in less than an hour after being hit by a plane, which impacted between its 78th and 84th floors. “Fire has never caused a steel building to collapse,” Hufschmid writes. “So how did a 56-minute fire bring down a steel building as strong as the South Tower?”
Hufschmid’s forthcoming book presents compelling evidence that explosives caused the towers to collapse.

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I guess my question to you is: How can you hold on so tightly to your idea about the heat being so hot that it melted or otherwise caused steel to crumble so quickly?

Pointing to the Meridian Plaza fire in Philadelphia in 1991, Hufschmid writes, “The Meridian Plaza fire was extreme, but it did not cause the building to collapse. The fire in the South Tower seems insignificant by comparison to both the Meridian Plaza fire and the fire in the North Tower. How could the tiny fire in the South Tower cause the entire structure to shatter into dust after 56 minutes while much more extreme fires did not cause the Meridian Plaza building to even crack into two pieces?”

The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey (PA), the bi-state authority and owner of the World Trade Center, retrieved the “lost tape.” A spokesman for the authority, Greg Trevor, told AFP that the tape was found in PA police offices at 5 WTC, “two or three weeks” after 9-11. The PA police monitored radio transmissions from the WTC.

Because of an unexplained delay in producing the tape, it was believed “for months” that firefighters had gone no higher than about the 50th floor in each tower. The delay, Trevor said, was due to the time required to transfer the voice data to “encrypted CDs.”

In January or February, the PA offered a copy of the tape to NYFD officials, who reportedly declined the offer because they did not want to sign the confidentiality agreement as demanded by the PA. The Independent of Britain added that the PA “held back from sharing it with police and only relinquished it on condition that a confidentiality agreement was signed.”

“That’s not correct,” Trevor told AFP regarding the allegation that the PA had withheld the tape from the police. The PA had only handled the tape “under the instruction of the U.S. attorney’s office,” he said.
Spokesman Bernard Gifford said NYPD had not pursued a criminal investigation of 9-11, having “turned it over” to the FBI.

Gifford wouldn’t say when this occurred, although Joe Valiquette of the New York office of the FBI told AFP that the federal bureau had run the investigation “from the moment it happened.”

On Aug. 2 the relatives of the 16 firefighters whose voices were identified on the tape were allowed to hear their last words in a New York City hotel. The families were first required to sign a statement prepared by lawyers that they would not disclose what was said on the tape.

Despite the fact that the contents of the tape are being kept secret, the Times article says, “Only now, nearly a year after the attacks, are the efforts of Chief Palmer, Mr. Bucca and others becoming public. City fire officials simply delayed listening to a 78-minute tape that is the only known recording of firefighters inside the towers.”

While Fire Commissioner Nicholas Scoppetta said he had not known the tape existed until “very recently,” both the Times and CNN err in claiming that the NYFD is the agency behind the extreme secrecy.
“The Fire Department has forbidden anyone to discuss the contents publicly on the ground that the tape might be evidence in the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui, the man accused of plotting with the hijackers,” the Times said.

When AFP asked the NYFD why the only conversations between firefighters engaged at the scene of the crash had to be kept secret because of Moussaoui, who was in prison in Minnesota at the time, the spokesman replied, “Take it up with the Department of Justice.”

Asked about the numerous reports by eyewitnesses, including firefighters, of explosions inside the towers before they collapsed, Mike Logrin, spokesman for the NYFD, said, “We’re pretty sure there weren’t bombs in the building.”

On Sept. 11 the British Broadcasting Corp. (BBC) interviewed one of its New York-based reporters, Steve Evans, who was in the second tower when it was hit.
“I was at the base of the second tower, the second tower that was hit,” Evans said. “There was an explosion—I didn’t think it was an explosion—but the base of the building shook. I felt it shake . . . then when we were outside, the second explosion happened and then there was a series of explosions. . . . We can only wonder at the kind of damage—the kind of human damage—which was caused by those explosions—those series of explosions,” he said.

Evans is a professional journalist and although his observations of explosions in the second tower should be taken into account, they are not. Numerous eyewitnesses reported also seeing or hearing explosions.

Valiquette of the FBI told AFP that he had not “heard anything” about reports of explosions in the building and that he had “never heard any discussion of it” in the FBI’s New York office.

When AFP asked the NYFD why the only conversations between firefighters engaged at the scene of the crash had to be kept secret because of Moussaoui, who was in prison in Minnesota at the time, the spokesman replied, “Take it up with the Department of Justice.”
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Now this: "The time to consume the jet fuel can be reasonably computed. At the upper bound, if one assumes that all 10,000 gallons of fuel were evenly spread across a single building floor, it would form a pool that would be consumed by fire in less than 5 minutes"
Quote from the FEMA report into the collapse of WTC's One and Two (Chapter Two).
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In fact, let's listen to what a few eyewitnesses have to say:
Here are statements from three eye-witnesses that provide evidence that the heating due to the jet fuel was indeed minimal.
Donovan Cowan was in an open elevator at the 78th floor sky-lobby (one of the impact floors of the South Tower) when the aircraft hit. He has been quoted as saying: "We went into the elevator. As soon as I hit the button, that's when there was a big boom. We both got knocked down. I remember feeling this intense heat. The doors were still open. The heat lasted for maybe 15 to 20 seconds I guess. Then it stopped."

Stanley Praimnath was on the 81st floor of the South Tower: "The plane impacts. I try to get up and then I realize that I'm covered up to my shoulder in debris. And when I'm digging through under all this rubble, I can see the bottom wing starting to burn, and that wing is wedged 20 feet in my office doorway."

Ling Young was in her 78th floor office: "Only in my area were people alive, and the people alive were from my office. I figured that out later because I sat around in there for 10 or 15 minutes. That's how I got so burned."

Neither Stanley Praimnath nor Donovan Cowan nor Ling Young were cooked by the jet fuel fire. All three survived.
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But back to the point, if there were a raging inferno in the tower, that means that no one could have survived in an environment that was melting steel--or even half that temperature. So, how will this change your opinion?

 

Show me where I commented on that picture. You are making up more lies.

Did I claim to be a structural engineer? Are you a structural engineer? You on the other hand, claim to be an expert in fire behaviour and are obviously not qualified to have an opinion on the subject.

The hot part, moron! The subject is what is the maximum temperature you can get by burning jet fuel and office furnishings. You say 1000 degrees. You just made that number up. One more of your lies.

Wrong again, moron. It's a compartment fire. Deal with it.

You might try actually learning about some of these subjects, instead of making up lies as you go along. With a bit of knowledge, you'd be able to separate the truth from the lies. Who knows, you might even be able to graduate from high school some day.

 

Well, do you think there was fire in the building in that picture?

 

Why would I care? My interest is in exposing your lies. You can't see enough of the building (whatever building it was) in that picture to tell.

 

Misunderstood your post. Sorry about that.