Diversity is our strength?

Not all Asian-Americans are well off. You're correct that some of them are doing even better than members of the white race. But not all of them are. There's a problem of colorism with Asian-Americans that has those with lighter skin treated like royalty while those with darker skin are treated like "other", such as polynesians or indonesians. We assume too that when someone is from Korea, Japan, China, and the like that they have light skin. Not so. There are varying pigments from all of these places. Hollywood doesn't cast darker skinned Asian people (I say Hollywood, but I mean media in Asia as well).

 

Uhm.. he already said he would be for the same consequences in both instances?:

Personally i think a suspension or getting expelled for a pic like this would be preposterous. It should only be considered if its part of a series of discriminary jokes and that motive is real clear. Otherwise it is just a typical action of a society on edge.

True, and i don't find that a problem. Like in, this doesn't need to be avoided, or be made such a big deal of as certain people/groups seem to crave. So, some people are offended by an inappropriate joke. So what.

Yes, if it would be like that i can imagine you would be offended by it/at odds with that. But to what extent and by which people is 'society told to handle it' like that? Aren't these people given too much merit/attention? What's the use for example of posing it like the entire left is acting like that? If that was ment as a joke i would laugh But often it seems its not a joke. Many people on here seem unable or unwilling to just focus on the joke or comment, but go along and nag on everybody they can affiliate with the maker of said joke, or (in return) the criticizer of such a joke. If a joke is offensive and others want to make a point of it (seems valid), they should focus on the joke/comment and why its so offensive. Other people can agree or disagree with it. But no, its often not about the joke being racist or otherwise discriminary: the person making it has got to be inherently racist. Same with people trying to tackle the criticizer: it can not be their own conclusion or opinion. They're carrying out an agenda of the political side they can be affiliated with. Or are supposedly brainwashed by these politics. This is how it mostly goes both on this forum and with Americans in general in such an argument. Its very tiring and imo pointless. I guess its, at least partly, due to polarisation.
Its the same issue when in an earlier convo you said im not gonna explain this because i will be called a racist, while im not. Hey, just to be clear I don't regard you as a racist (which a person can be called for different reasons btw. And when it is because of a sincere opinion or explanation of an argument/point of how or why a certain group is in a certain societal position it can be kind of ridiculous and should be ignored. Certainly not given into!)!
If a comment or action is discriminary the focus of criticism ideally lays on the comment or action, not the whole being of the person or the group they (seem to) fall in.

In this instance i fully agree. Esp after taking notice of the dude's apology which i would at first simply take as sincere.
But motives and context DO matter. The thing is: motive/intent is often assumed when others find it offensive. And if it can be called racist it is by default regarded more serious/bad, wether its about a joke about grape juice or a water melon or actually really discriminary. Discrimination is bad, a humorous joke about grape juice (to stay with this example) and a certain group not. Even if some people in that group find the grape juice joke offensive. Well, ok then! You're entitled to your feelings We don't have to like others attempts at humor. It gets different of course when it is primarily made to offend.

Damn, this became too lengthy for my taste. Feel like it may seem im rambling. But gonna post it anyway

 

Lol this only makes clear you're in it superficially. Although, even on that level, and by paying attention to the mainstream media and focus points there's plenty attention for and shits given about the hispanics. Even on this forum. So yeah, despite acknowledging the US looks and deals a bit weird with esp. white vs. black racism, i don't get the comment regarding hispanics. They seem to get plenty of attention too Azbekistani or indonesian minorities are simply smaller and thus less of a focus point in mainstream media or for most americans. If it gets a focus point in the media it automatically becomes a focus point for certain citizens. Not that this automatically means they have a real clue about that particular minority then (as can be often seen on this forum on itself already). Esp. muslims and middle eastern people in general are ridicilously perceived. It is often put they can not integrate in (and thus be a constructive part of) western societies. But a big amount of them can and will be, more so than certain Americans! Maybe the (sometimes only subconscious) awareness of this makes a certain kind of American so against them!

 

"who picks cotton now these days? Probably the Mexicans." No one picks by hand any more . It's mechanized picking with air conditioning and stereo with one guy running the machine. Probably are Mexicans--they pretty much do all the work . Just thought I'd throw this in.

 

Not really, even on these forums, this thread, you dont hear the hispanic american angle anywhere near as much as the african american angle

 

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I think that would have been the case Civil War Era as well, even go so far as to say the black plantation workers might have had it better than the asian rail workers or miners, no one kept records of them, they wouldnt have had any rights, language a problem.

Chinese Exclusion act in 1882, such was the hostility at the new wave of a cheap labour force

 

"Black plantation workers had it better than the Asian rail workers and miners........"
I'm done.

 

CHINESE-AMERICAN CONTRIBUTION TO TRANSCONTINENTAL RAILROAD

 

Everyone should be exactly alike so that there are no new ideas.

 

Yeah, like...what? He's talking about people who were literally owned as property by other people

I'm sure Asian immigrants did have it rough back then but they came here of their own free will. No doubt the work was tough but they were free to walk away at any time. Huge difference

 

I'm actually deadly serious, not saying it to stir the pot

But I will emphasize I am talking about slaves that had already made it to the plantations in the US. Most of the deaths occured either in Africa but mostly getting transported to their destination.....there even seems to have been more deaths after the civil war with race riots, lynchings

Chinese immigrants though, mining would have been the most dangerous jobs at the time, along with construction on the railroads, a lot of black dearhs also in those two fields. The chinese just would have been able to walk away, you really think so? It would have been near slave conditions on the railroads

And they can just leave and go back to what, slavery in China didnt start to get formally abolished until the 1850s

From wikipedia:

Depend how you define "better" are we talking about freedom or likeliness you will die, death/homicide rates or day to day hardship and life expectancy

1800s a pretty brutal time across the whole earth for anyone not born into nobility

No one seems to have any idea how many people died building those railroads, no one kept records, especially for the chinese. Many of those immigrants would have started off as slaves in China, then into indentured servitude to pay off costs of emmigrating

I would rather have been picking cotton on a plantation than stuck breaking up rocks 12 hrs a day in a hole that has a chance of collapsing every month

 

Are we still talking about slavery? Seriously?

 

john deere

 

If she did I hope they enjoy the rest of lives together.

I can already picture the wedding ceremony at the Aryan Nation compound in Idaho (just South of Ruby Ridge) as they exchange NRA membership cards
while they swear allegiance to the Oath Keepers.

 

I had no idea you were so romantic.

 

I’ve always been the sentimental type,

Even now I can picture the lovely newlywed couple in khakis cutting into their wedding cake topped off with a AR-15 assault rifle

 

Whats so bad about cotton picking anyway, good honest work

I remember Jim Jeffries the comedian did a bit about his grandmother going on about an ancestor that was on the first fleet to Australia, then when the internet emerged he was able to check online what this guy had done to get sent here.....raped 6 women.....a cotton picking ancestor doesnt seem so bad

 

But see youre white so you can put a positive spin on it. If you were black you would complain and vicitmize yourself for 400 years and counting. Kudos to you hypothetically.

 

Wrong we’re going to do what we’ve always done, we’re going to make the best of it and wash away the boredom in song


Gonna jump down
Turn around
Pick a bale of cotton
Gonna jump down
Turn around
Pick a bale a day


Oh, lordy
Pick a bale of cotton
Oh, lordy
Pick a bale a day