Dianetics?

Okay I'm just gonna apologize in advanc for calling Levi arrogant but people just kill me sometimes. It seems like the world just always wants to find the bad in something. B4 you try to see the good something does, try to find something bad about it. Even if what you've found isn't true. Anyway, I'm done here. But please people, have an open mind.

 

Did you explore that xenu.com site? It's run by a guy who spent 30 years in Scientology.


My cousin used to have a friend whose family were Scientologists. When she refused to be drawn in his parents decided that she couldn't talk to their son any more. They sent him to another city to get some more training. We haven't seen him since. That was in the 1980s.

L. Ron Hubbard's own colleaugues, other science fiction writers, said that they had personally heard him say several times that a good way to get rich would be to start a new religion. Then he did.

You know, not all that glitters is gold. Not everyone who says they have your well-being in mind is telling the truth. Things that sound too good to be true are too good to be true.

Any philosophy that is worth its weight in manure can stand up to a little questioning, a little research.

Of course, you're free to associate with whoever you want to, but I would urge you to ask yourself questions along the way. If you do get involved in Scientology, or anything else, and other believers try to tell you who to talk to, where you can go and when, what to wear, etc., then it's time to ask yourself some serious questions.

If anyone tells you that you can make spiritual progress for a fee, get out of there.

 

I explored it enough to not be impressed. I have visited the Scientology Mission here in Houston and they were very nice. A man, who looked like some grungy truck driver had just gotten out of auditing (therapy) and their seemed to be a calmness about him and he seemed quite satisfied. The people there were very nice and for some reason didn't charge me tax on a book I bought there. I am capable of making my own decisions, and if my decision is that Scientology is a fraud, I will defect and help keep people away. But at this time I am yet to see such evidence arise.

 

while dosing up naturally onrey kids with ritalin is a bad thing, scientology is a huuuuuugggggeeeee load of dog shit and a dangerous cult

 

What do you base that on? How are they dangerous? How are they even a cult? A dangerous cult is like those nuts in Japan that tear gassed the subways when they weren't elected to political positions. I doubt most people here have even read the book "Dianetics:The Modern Science of Mental Health" much less "Scientology:Fundamentals of Thought". It works people. Sorry but it's saved lifes and sanity. And if you'd rather believe some shitty tabloid site go ahead. Scientology doesn't need your support. I wish people would let this thread die.

 

UNITED STATES – NEW YORK – SEPTEMBER 11



Immediately following the terrorist attacks in New York and DC, the Church organized the Volunteer Ministers corps over 800 strong. They came from all over the United States and Canada and as far off as Australia. Volunteer Ministers went to local hospitals to help the injured being brought there for treatment. They also provided food, water and logistical support to the rescue teams. By the day after the attack, in New York, the team of Volunteer Ministers was stationed at the emergency aid station at the Stuyvesant High School across from the city’s emergency headquarters, which was inside the perimeter closed off by the National Guard. When Mayor Giuliani came by, he was visibly moved and thanked the Church volunteers for all they had done and congratulated them for their efforts.



The president of the Church of Scientology of New York was part of a group of religious leaders who accompanied President Bush to the World Trade Center disaster site.

A Volunteer Minister who had been working with a police officer coordinating materials and supplies for Police Department executives on the scene, was taken to meet the NYPD’s Chief of Police who told her that he wanted to personally thank her and the Church of Scientology for all their efforts.

The Volunteer Ministers were also acknowledged by the New York Fire Department. An officer told them that the Department couldn’t be doing what they’re doing without them. A reporter from the New York Times saw Volunteer Ministers giving assists (simple procedures that help an individual recover from shock, grief, pain and exhaustion) and wanted to know about them. She did an interview with the president of the Church of Scientology New York, which led to an article “Religious Leader takes his calling to Ground Zero.”

-I think in peoples haste to drag this religon through the mud they are quick to forget what Scientology has done to help people. They aren't brain washing fiends guys, that's just ridiculous. In fact, quite the opposite.

 

An example of a POV to consider:


http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/Lisa_McPherson_Scientology_Deaths.html?FACTNet

 

It is possible for good and bad qualities to be mixed within the same entity; an openess to review, to entertain questions openly, is a sign of health.

 

That Lisa McPherson thing is so dumb. She died from and injury sustained in the car wreck. I guess people are saying that Scientologists took her and beat her??? It's really weird. Anyway if the evidence against them is so damn incriminating why was the case against them dropped. Because no one could prove Scientology inflicted this upon her. I wish people would be alittle more tolerant of other religons. If I wanted to I could discredit or find problems with any religon. But I choose to be tolerant of other peoples beliefs. The same courtesy is not returned.

 

2Cool,

Notice I said "a POV to consider". I have my own experiences with Scientology, some show promise and other experiences show a closed-mindedness and "hard-sell" techniques. In reading parts of Dianetics I was impressed and feel that the book has provided me with some useful information on ways to view human experience. If Scientology is breaking the law or impeading the rights of individuals or other groups then, I believe, that this is not good. Limited study of the Lisa McPherson case left me with some serious questions about the alleged procedures used by some Scientologists relating to this tragedy. We should not be so fast to conclude, no matter what the truths we think that we see make us feel; instead we can learn more about our selves by listening to these feelings, by listening to these awarenesses. I wish you good progress with your work.


Natural23




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Thank You.

 

The Xenu story is directly from the "confidential" OT lll materials.That's been confirmed countless times by former OT's.It's forbidden for lower level Scn'ists to read that material.According to Elron,it will make them physically ill.One could be in Scn for years and never hear of Xenu.

He was writing Sci Fi for pulp magazines.

The basic Dianetic therapy technique can be found in Freud.The rest he pulled out of his ass.

The incredible number of lies in the Church of Scientology's bio of Hubbard would be a good place for you to start learning.
For years this stuff went unchallenged.Any journalist attempting to write about Scn would be harassed,intimidated,sued,or worse.
Now,with the internet,that's all changed.Entire books on the story of Hubbard and Scn are online.

 

There has never been ANY research in or about Dianetics/Scientology.

If you want to be on their junk mailing list for the rest of your life.
By all means,though,anyone who wants should get the the book at a used bookstore and read it.Or try to.Read their website.Then read the critical websites.

Sorry,it's a harmful cult.It's a closed information system,no questioning allowed.Any criticism of Hubbard or Scn will get you in deep shit.Hard sell,coercement,intimidation,peer pressure,etc are used to keep adherents in line.If a family member leaves the "Church",the members that stay are often forbidden to communicate with the defector.That includes parents and children.It's called the policy of "disconnection."
In fact,2cool,if you were 18,and your parents were critical of Scn,you'd be advised to join staff and have no communication with your parents.
Do you think you may have something to learn here?
All of this does not mean that Scn'ists are bad people.They're victims of a con.And it doesn't mean there's nothing good in Scn--for many people there is,at least at the lower levels.It's the piece of cheese in the middle of the rat trap.

 

Actually his father was a high ranking officer in the navy.

Not true. Freud's theory is completely different, believeing all problems came from psychosexual agitations.

Not everything on the internet is true. The internet is actually probably one of the worst places to find good information. Much of the info you find from the internet is biased, slanderous, and basically half truths. Anti Scientology propoganda hit it's peak in the 1990's and since has almost completely died out.

 

Here this is a great website that has info on all religions. They are unbiased on all religious info and are totally unassociated with Scientology. They give quite a fair summary of Scientology.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/

 

How do we form a hypothesis, by making observations and using imagination to find explanations for these observations. 'Fantasy' and 'reality' are intimately linked.



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That "tolerance" website merely regurgitates the fluff found on Scn's official website.Just like you do a lot,2cool.
Not everything on the internet is true,of course.But that's where you'll find all the affadavits and statements by ex-members who worked closely with Hubbard for decades.Google "Robert Vaughn Young" or "Gerry Armstrong".
Don't trust "the internet"? Fine,Google "Time Magazine Scientology" or "St. Petersburg Times Scientology".
The 1991 Time cover story,"Scientology,the thriving cult of greed and power" prompted a libel lawsuit by Scn,which they lost.An excerpt:
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The Church of Scientology, started by science-fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard to "clear" people of unhappiness, portrays itself as a religion. In reality the church is a hugely profitable global racket that survives by intimidating members and critics in a Mafia-like manner. At times during the past decade, prosecutions against Scientology seemed to be curbing its menace. Eleven top Scientologists, including Hubbard's wife, were sent to prison in the early 1980s for infiltrating, burglarizing and wiretapping more than 100 private and government agencies in attempts to block their investigations. In recent years hundreds of longtime Scientology adherents -- many charging that they were mentally of physically abused -- have quit the church and criticized it at their own risk. Some have sued the church and won; others have settled for amounts in excess of $500,000. In various cases judges have labeled the church "schizophrenic and paranoid" and "corrupt, sinister and dangerous." (Time Magazine)
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Re Hubbrd's bio:
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The founder of this enterprise was part storyteller, part flimflam man. Born In Nebraska in 1911, Hubbard served in the Navy during World War II and soon afterward complained to the Veterans Administration about his "suicidal inclinations" and his "seriously affected" mind. Nevertheless, Hubbard was a moderately successful writer of pulp science fiction. Years later, church brochures described him falsely as an "extensively decorated" World War II hero who was crippled and blinded in action, twice pronounced dead and miraculously cured through Scientology. Hubbard's "doctorate" from "Sequoia University" was a fake mall-order degree. In a I984 case in which the church sued a Hubbard biographical researcher, a California judge concluded that its founder was "a pathological liar." (Time Magazine)
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This is all written by writers who are paid to make Scientology look evil. Certain people have tried for years to destroy Scientology and ultimately have failed. You don't see much anti-Scientology propoganda these days unless your really looking for it on this gutter of information: the internet. Certain people are scared that Scientology can effectively help people. They're scared because Scientology brings happiness and sanity to people, when they themselves survive off the suffering of others. Scientology would've died out years ago if it was a giant fraud. But instead it's the fastest growing religion in the world. Scientolgy is not evil. It is not a fraud. People have walked into Scientology churches suffering from Migraines, back pains, schizophrenia, and all have left never to see the returns of these problems. Scientology will make a big change in the world. You'll see.

 

More of the party line,2cool."Suppressive persons" are out to get Scn,and anyone who asks critical questions is a "suppressive person." Scientology has all the answers,just don't look behind the curtain--it's the Wizard Of Oz.
I noticed you disagreed with their drug policy,though.

 

There are alotta suppressive persons out there. Haven't you noticed? Haven't you ever seen that one person that always seems to cause problems for everyone? That one person who just seems to make things go wrong? That one person that just always seems to look for a fight? Scientology has answers. Maybe not all the answers, but they are on the right track. BTW their is no curtain in Scientology. It is the most open religion in the world. Nothing is closed doors. All is there for you to better yourself, you just have to reach out and grab it!

Yeah, I dunno about toxins staying in your body forever. But then again I can't argue with the results from their Drug rundowns!