Detached Rhombus Psychedelia (4-me0-pcp +2cb)

Another question (Your very right, haha subjects do get very off topic after page one) would ketamine be able to hold it's novelty if doses are spaced out, similar to the way MDMA can hold it's novelty when spaced properly?

 

I want to make a definite distinction between novelty and tolerance. I never felt the novelty return after those initial experiences, I still enjoyed the effects tho. There does seem to be a certain degree of permanent tolerance but tolerance will go down if you don't use it for awhile.

Most psychedelics lose a certain degree of novelty after a few trips but what separates MDMA trips and LSD trips from ketamine trips for me is the functional aspects of them. I can take MDMA and LSD in different enviornments, doing different things and learn and draw upon them. I do not view ketamine in the same way.

The only use of ketamine I've seen outside the rave scene was my friend shooting up in the bathroom at our college. I went to get lunch and 20 mins later I see the campus police talking to her and keeping her propped up so she didn't fall over.

 

If I didn't have experience with what you where saying I would be totally lost. But since my first 4 MDMA experiences (all of which where indeed pure MDMA) where VERY VERY different, I do understand. Which I eventually credited entirely to set and setting. So it's quite unlikely that I will take much from K. I was thinking that I might be interested in key bumps on occasion after I have tried K-holing a few times, but from what I read it just feels like a strong drunk feeling, and already not being a fan of alcohol. This wouldn't float my boat either. So far my only experiences with dissociative is ~280mg DXM 1 time and several doses nitrous, which I would have to say, nitrous has to be my favorite valueless drug, but I don't really like it at all on it's own much. It really has it's way with a massive amount of weed though, if you haven't tried it yet, I would suggest it. Never on any drug have I felt time actually freeze. Get really really really stoned, have some nice trippy music going on, and do one hit of nitrous, for me, felt like everything gradually came to a complete halt. Everybody was frozen, no music, no motion, I couldn't move, just time stood completely still, felt like that for maybe a minute or so (though it was actually more like 10 seconds), and then the music started up again and everybody was laughing and enjoying their nos. Crazy experience. Oddly enough, after doing NOS I don't have any want/desire to touch the substance again for a few months, which apparently is really weird. Time freezing, crazy shit.

 

Yah I've done nitrous on weed and Ecstasy.

The lower doses of ketamine are fairly similar to dxm. I've not done higher than 300 mgs of dxm to compare it with a k hole but I guess there is a certain warmth with k I find lacking in dxm.

I only consumed dxm via those robutissin gel caps I have no experience with dxm powder.

 

Would you agree with time freezing with a weed + nitrous combo? Because nobody else I know gets that. And how is E + Nitrous IYE? Heard good things about it, but heard it ruins the roll.

 

I didn't get time freezing with nitrous and weed. It did make it more colorful and synesthetic though. I saw colors while listening to music.

Nitrous on E is weird, I almost freaked out the first time. I felt completely lost and the electronic music I was listening to got sped up tremendously, felt like everyone at this house rave party was kind of cartoonish or something all of a sudden.

 

Well to get time to freeze for me, just smoke to the point where you can feel your heart beat and like, right before/where the point where weed get's uncomfortable (for some reason, I will just get to the point where I'm incredibly uncomfortable, never paranoid, though sometimes I can feel a paranoia arising from deep deep within, never surfaces though) , then hit the balloon as hard as you can. Everybody I know though can't get to that point of weed without getting paranoid as all hell, even the people with experience with other psychedelics.

That isn't how nitrous and E combo has been described to me, the cartoonish has been said before, but sped up hasn't and usually people just try and describe the degree of euphoria they feel, which usually results in rambling.

I love how drugs effect everybody differently, it makes for so many interesting conversations.

 

Yes!

 

Yes in regards to what? lol. There where two things you could have been agreeing to, but I am assuming your agreeing to how off topic things get. Am I right?

 

Yes to the only question in the quoted text

if you use ketamine sparingly it will retain its novelty even easier than molly. avoid using like coke. actually it will lose its novelty VERY quickly if you try and go nuts with it. I don't know how some people here can snort like 5g a day for 3 months and still want to snort it . . . 5g in one day would make like half the effects no longer work by evening. mmmm i do love k holes. nice little 2 hour trip to nowhere.

 

Interesting, knowing that ketamine can retain its novelty might make it so I won't just quit the chemical after a few k-holes and for some reason I thought coke never lost it's novelty (I don't know why but it only makes sense).

 

i wasn't saying coke loses it's novelty, i don't think it does. i just meant that to avoid k losing it's novelty, don't use it like it's cocaine (many low dose bumps)

 

Ohkay, I get what you meant. Thanks for the tip, where you able to retain the novelty of Ketamine or did you loss it?

 

retain, i use it very sparingly, and typically just do one k hole dose and put it away for a few days/weeks/months

 

I see, and how long have you been dosing in this manner? (sorry for playing 20 questions with you, just curious)

 

I had a friend who used Ketamine ALOT, and I asked him why he uses it so much and he said because "Its different every time." so even those who abuse it perceive novelty. It always felt the same to me especially reflecting back on it, there was a definite reward aspect to it and sure maybe slightly different hallucinations but those k nights are pretty much a blur and gone, not even really worth being called memories.

I could never reccommend ketamine in good conscience to anyone just as I would never reccommend alcohol to anyone these days and how I imagine ex heroin addicts wouldn't reccommend heroin. I can't deny I enjoyed it at times but there are so many more amazing drugs out there. Ive just seen to many people in real life and even a few on here kind of become k addicts.

 

Yeah, either K addicts are all over the place, or K addicts are all over the internet. but all I know is within the last 6 months of researching drugs, I have seen a exponential increase in threads on ALL boards related to addiction to ketamine.

 

I think it's because it's a dissociative/psychedelic somewhat, and thus brings on some novelty.

 

No I don't and I no longer know where to get it. Lo Siento.

 

a year or two? Since I've been introduced to K I've probably ingested . . . under 10g.