Democracy in Iran

Because the monks in no way were going to change the Chinese political system. Do you think people don't know of Mousavi's history, he was one of the original founders of the Islamic Republic yes, but he's also always been on the moderate/left wing of it. yes Mousavi is no bleeding heart liberal, but by Iran's standards he is.

The Iranians want change, they want their voices heard, maybe not an end to the Islamic Republic, but their frustration with how the system is run is boiling over, and major riffs and splits in the country's highest and most established leadership and institutions. Iran is a regional powerhouse, and is in fact one of the most democratic countries in the area. If you fail to see how this is 1. not only important, but 2. historical, you're way too paranoid of the "corporations"

 

please dont dominate the rap jack if you got nothing new to say..

 

So it was ok to watch them slaughtered. Sorry can't buy into your politics. They weren't as pretty as the face posted on the news for Neda. Not the way I decide to vote.

Iranians will make of their country what they will they don't need Americans to to tell them what is right. We didn't stand up for the Chinese guy and the tank, the monks or Rachel and the bulldozer.

Shit we didn't even stand up to GW and Cheney when they bombed Iraq.

 

She died from a bullet wound.

What part of non-compliant do you not understand?
Iran has kicked out ALL IAEA inspectors and removed ALL IAEA cameras.Iran has repeatedly and over an extended period failed to meet its safeguards obligations, including by failing to declare its uranium enrichment program


Ooooppps?

How many rounds of sanctions have the UN passed on Iran, hard to keep track so damn many....

 

Like Iraq had WMD? And Isreal doesn't have nuclear weapons?

Fact is they signed the non proliferation treaty and Israel hasn't.

How many of those cameras and inspectors has Israel allowed? Has or have the Israeli government ever declared Dimona? But we've been protecting it for years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negev_Nuclear_Research_Center

 

Fact is US news which doesn't understand twitter or facebook got it wrong. They hyped Twitter for three days then glommed on to pictures from facebook. And we are supposed to buy their hype? Why is that?

Because someone somewhere may have WMD...think their marketing wizards better rethink things. We fell for that once, doesn't mean we'll do it again, especially since most of us use Twitter and Facebook, they aren't new or miraculous to us.

All the Twitter hype is really comical. But it's probably caused their stock to rise on the market.

 

Fact is the "Iran" signed an agreement and has broken every rule.
The act of signing is a promise to abide by the rules, Iran has broken that promise in every way possible.

Signing means nothing.If you cant follow through.

For the 3rd time This thread topic is Democracy in Iran, not everybody but. There are many threads here, don't infect this one with your Gardnerisms, ok.

 

Fact is democracy in Iran will only come when that's what Iranians want not Israel or the US. Otherwise Israel and the US should just install another Shah.

And peace will never come to the Middle East until Israel admits Dimona!

 

Neda has nothing to do with this except in your own mind, the Iranian elections and protests were already round the clock world news beforehand
And America has done the least so far, it's been Europe that's been the most outspoken. And I believe the world as a whole did crackdown on China after Tienanmen.

Going back to the original topic on the thread, democracy in Iran, Iran actually states itself to be a democratic Islamic republic, and use to hold quasi true to this. But since 2004 and the removal of most reformist candidates at the time, it hasn't been so true.

And since Neda keeps coming up, Americans and Israelis telling them what's right? I think the world along with Iran can agree this is not right:

 

Sorry, i don't see ANYTHING at all about this tragedy funny/comical.

A teen age girl was killed protesting election results.

I believe its privately owned and not on the market.

I'm pretty sure that's what that actual vote would have revealed.
You believe these protesters are backed by the US ,Israel, UK, don't ya?

Ugh, thats the last thing on most peoples mind "in the middle east" why is it such a big concern to you?

How about Iran admitting their Nuclear Weapons program?

 

I don't think the deaths or strife is comical but I see media's insistance that twitter is all important is extremely comical especislly since they glommed on to facebook pictures and made them the cause of celebre without fact checking. failure of papers and the media...yeah when they can't get the facts straight it's funny.

 

Until Israel admits Dimona why should other countries in the area come clean? Why does India and Pakistan have nuclear weapons? Iran is just seeking to provide nuclear energy to their citizens like Sausi Arabia with GW's help. What agreements have they signed how many inspections have been held there?

 

While it is partly comical, at the same time getting information from Iran since a few days into the protests has been one step above trying to get news from North Korea. It actually is a great way to get some kind of idea of what is going on in the of Terhan at the given moment. It's the new technology, get with it. People can decide their own facts straight from the source.

 

So we are going to base rather or not we go to war is North Korea on Twitter? I find that laughable with all the agencies we pay for. Should be based on more that a high school social network. Why do we pay these folks what we do?


Get with it? I hope you know every text message you make is being monitored. Not sure how well our money is being spent. They couldn't even get Neda's identity right, but they know where WMD are? Or do they?

 

Ummm, hey buddy, when did war with North Korea come up? This is an effort to get a look into the situation of massive protests in a country that has tried to block all media in and out

 

Madcap brought up North Korea are we considering war with them?. Is Twitter or Facebook going to be the turning point?

Gee all world wars based on Twitter and Facebook real evolution we've gone through. Why don't we just vote them off the island?

Block all media I saw more coverage of this than I did of the Bush Gore election.

 

But hey the media jumped on a pretty face.

 

Someone please explain to me why applying pressure to that young lady's windpipe was theraputic? Am I the only one that saw a man's hands pressing down on her throat? That was supposed to save her how?

 

They have arrested foreign journalists and stolen their tapes. They have blocked Iranians' access to foreign media and websites. They have expelled journalists and shut down news bureaus. Don't forget this is a country that tortured to death a foreign journalist just a few years back. Yet you throw scorn and doubt on what little news people manage to get out of the country at great risk to their own lives.

And you are asking where is the coverage?

Of course the Iranian state media is still reporting. They are reporting that its all about the Zionists and neocons. In other words, Iranian state propaganda sounds like our very own Stockholm sydrome extraordinaire, Gardener.

 

You really are vile sometimes gardener.