Democracy in Iran

I don't.

 

So now you're appealing to isolated emotional news stories now? The point is that if someone invades my house, I will shoot the invader down.

 

Maybe you will meet a refugee from Iran's crackdown some day. You can tell them how you know how they feel, cuz like its total tyranny here in the west too, bro.

 

Then why not mind the elections of your country of citizenship and leave other countries to solve their own problems?

And what exactly are you suggesting should be done, other than sitting here on the internet feeling nice and the superior critic because you're from the democratic west?

 

I'm sure they would much rather things were like they have been in Iraq for the past few years...

BTW I have Iraqi friends, and they are refugees. They don't speak very highly about the coalition forces I can tell you. They don't want us there!

 

And the next day you would take an axe to his children?

Funny you don't speak up with similar sentiments when Israel is criticised. Maybe you are fully of hypocritical, western hating crap?

What is your problem? I support democracy in Iran. Why is this so upsetting for you? Are you too full of self loathing and guilt to have an opinion on anything? Are you afraid to criticise other countries because you think they can't handle it?

 

So that's what you would say to Iranian democracy activists (after you tell them you feel their pain, cuz its like totally not democratic here in the west)? "Oh well could be worse mate, chin up now."

That's what elections are for, which they have now. Elections that are far more free than the ones in Iran.

 

Of course, I don't. Iran is not colonizing anyone. If Israel rig their elections or whatever, that's their problem. I only speak about their policy toward Palestinians. Actually, I speak about the hypocrisy of American support for Israeli policy toward Palestinians. I just like to call a spade a spade.

 

I also posted the following post here:

Help support the protesters in Iran. This is a long-term battle and people are giving thier lives. Please visit and contribute to #iranelection #iran #gr88 #neda on twitter.com; help keep these topics high on the trending topics; and as the freedom movment in Iran become aware of up-to-date activities it really does help. One penny does not seem like much but one million pennies does - the small efforts add to create significant results. Also please visit http://iran.whyweprotest.net/ for more resources and info. Maybe find a protest near you and join. I joined [and recorded video posted on youtube] a protest on the 28th of June in Los Angeles in which more than 10,000 people attended; this makes a difference both locally and for the morale of the Green Movement in Iran. This is for all of us whether we live in Iran or not. Peace.

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Also I thought I'd add this link indicating slow but steady change: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/05/wo...er=rss&emc=rss

and this link: http://iran.whyweprotest.net/news-current-events/6402-green-brief-17-july-03-a.html

 

Capitalism is not part of western culture, it is a form of systematic brain washing. It destroys culture. Western culture contains some of the most interesting forms of science, art, music, films and people I know. Why do you think I hate it?

As far as I am concerned, people who are uptight arseholes and who don't like to chill out and party have no right to complain about anything.

 

I dont know why the west is so pro-mousavi. Is he not after all the Butcher of Beirut?

http://gnn.tv/headlines/20627/Mousavi_Celebrated_in_Iranian_Protests_Was_the_Butcher_of_Beirut

Iran was so swiftly and quickly jumped on for the story because it happens to be Iran. Not because democracy must prevail and the election was a fraud, but because the middle east as a whole is a place of interest for the west, especially iran.

 

So, it looks like Iran could well be headed into civil war anyway, without us even having to drop a single bomb on one child. Maybe the chancellor could write this into the defence budget cuts planned for next year, and who knows we might even be able to afford that nuclear submarine.

 

I was just pointing out that you have a policy of "let other countries solve their own problems" until that country is Israel and then suddenly the rules change.

This is typical for the left: criticise only the 'west', Israel, and capitalism. If someone criticises something else, steer the debate to the west, Israel, or capitalism.

It is rather obvious that capitalism is part of human culture. Capitalism evolved organically, it was not designed and imposed. By the way if you oppose capitalism you just ticked another cliche box.

I don't think you hate the culture.

Who says I don't like to chill out and party?

As I pointed out before - Gorbachev was a complete dick. He also brought down Soviet Communism, and he didn't even mean to. Maybe Mousavi is an Iranian Gorbachev.

The reverse also holds true - the reason people so swiftly and quickly jump up to attack critics of Iran is because any country that hates America must be defended. If preserving Iran's hatred of America means supporting dictatorship there, for many people that is a price they are happy to (let Iranians) pay.

 

I repeat. You will never see me advocate intervention concerning Israel's internal problems. Whether it be rigged elections or anything else.

However, I will not pretend that Israel's colonialism is not colonialism. When Iran starts expanding its borders, I will call Iran's colonialism colonialism. For now, what has happened concerns the internal affairs of Iran, and therefore Iranian citizens exclusively. Just like Florida 2000 concerned the affairs of American citizens exclusively.

 

Wasn't the Iranian/Iraqi war fought because of a border dispute? Over 1 million died.

What about Iran-Kuwait border ,isn't Iran trying to claim more land/sea there?

Then there's the Azerbaijan border dispute too,how many died there?

 

Border disputes are not the same as an expansionist policy. I would not call Pakistan or India expansionist. I would not call Brazil or Paraguay expansionist. I would not call Ethiopia or Eritrea expansionist. I would not call current-day Britain or Argentina (who have a territorial dispute) expansionist.

Border disputes are very common and most of them are forgotten and/or unresolved.

Expansionism to me is characterized by the disrespect to borders that a country itself acknowledges. As is the case with Israel and the 1967 UN resolution which it agreed to. No other country in the world that I know of today, simply flaunts its own acknowledged borders and builds settlements beyond it like Israel does.

This is not to mention the fact that Israel came into existence after all other colonial efforts had been halted after WWII.

 

Right so the holocaust was an internal German issue?

Actually, Israel has so far given up the Sinai, southern Lebanon, and most recently Gaza. They are so expansionist that they are shrinking.

But they did learn an interesting lesson though - when they tore down settlements in Gaza and handed the territory over to Palestinians, the Palestinians responded by electing a government committed to the destruction of Israel and proceeded to launch rockets at Israeli citizens.

The establishment of Israel was not a colonial effort. Jews lived in what is now Israel for thousands of years.

 

Imagine the audacity of it. They should be grateful their homes were bull dozed by the Israelis, and of the fence they built to keep them all inside.

 

That's a pretty stupid comment. If Israel hands over land, and Hamas uses it to launch rockets at Israeli civilians, why do you think Israel would hand over even more land which would put its largest cities in the range of these rockets?